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Welcome to the Forum. a question: does the frizzen face have grooves? Rick.
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I don't have any information for you, but I hope someone does! I keep checking back to see. That's a really cool gun! :thumbsup:
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The trig.guard and side plate sculptureing look French or ?? but the inside of the lock sure looks British to me. It is a nice piece, good condition.
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I didn't mean to say that I think it is British. There would be proof marks on the barrel if it was. None present that I can see. German?? Hell, where is Phil? Or jgk?
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Hi William. WOW! This is a tough one. :hmm:
The brass mounts look Mediterranean - maybe Italian? The lock and overall gun look about mid-18th Century. It looks like the top screw was replaced at some point in the past. The curved lip on the top jaw is really unusual. I've only seen this feature on Balkan/Turkish locks. And that name on the lock plate - :idunno: The name on the lock plate may be spurious. And that would not be unusual - especially Italian made guns/locks/barrels that were made for export to the Turkish markets. A well known European family name would be perceived as adding value to the gun in parts of the Mediterranean where many of the people could not read or write their own language, much less a foreign one.
But I'm just speculating here. Maybe we will get some other ideas here. Overall, this one stumps me. But a really cool looking pistol for sure. And in nice condition. Rick. :hatsoff:
The brass mounts look Mediterranean - maybe Italian? The lock and overall gun look about mid-18th Century. It looks like the top screw was replaced at some point in the past. The curved lip on the top jaw is really unusual. I've only seen this feature on Balkan/Turkish locks. And that name on the lock plate - :idunno: The name on the lock plate may be spurious. And that would not be unusual - especially Italian made guns/locks/barrels that were made for export to the Turkish markets. A well known European family name would be perceived as adding value to the gun in parts of the Mediterranean where many of the people could not read or write their own language, much less a foreign one.
But I'm just speculating here. Maybe we will get some other ideas here. Overall, this one stumps me. But a really cool looking pistol for sure. And in nice condition. Rick. :hatsoff:
so many mixes and no proofs on the top of the barrel , high end Leige maybe .Could have been purchased in a hurry before being proofed. A lot of Brits & Colonials considered the high end Leige guns better then the cheap lowend London guns.
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Cool gun. If it could only talk :hatsoff:
Rick, The hardware on this pistol has a somewhat "baroque" feel to them...
I wonder if a Gargoyle butt mask would be accepeted by the Muslem world of that time...
have you come across any examples of Turkish or Middle eastren guns using these?
I wonder if a Gargoyle butt mask would be accepeted by the Muslem world of that time...
have you come across any examples of Turkish or Middle eastren guns using these?
That grip cap is one of the handsomest I have ever seen. Very nice piece sir!
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Hi Allen. This pistol really has me stumped :hmm:
Baroque? Yes, could be. This pistol somehow reminds me of a mid-18th Century Dutch officers pistol (?). The Dutch were known to commonly use a variety of Italian/French/German influences, especially on private contract pistols.
Seems like every time I look at this gun I come to a different conclusion. :haha:
No, I do not believe this gun was exported to the Balkan/Turkish market. It is definitely European made. The only features of the lock that replicate the Balkan locks are the internal frizzen screw, the larger diameter hammer screw, and (if original to the lock) the top jaw. Otherwise, the lock does appear European. Maybe the Family name continued to make guns and/or locks much later than the 15th Century without any records :idunno:
Overall, at the moment, I'm leaning toward a Belgium/Dutch made pistol for a private owner using Italian style hardware - if you can believe all that :haha:
Rick.
Baroque? Yes, could be. This pistol somehow reminds me of a mid-18th Century Dutch officers pistol (?). The Dutch were known to commonly use a variety of Italian/French/German influences, especially on private contract pistols.
Seems like every time I look at this gun I come to a different conclusion. :haha:
No, I do not believe this gun was exported to the Balkan/Turkish market. It is definitely European made. The only features of the lock that replicate the Balkan locks are the internal frizzen screw, the larger diameter hammer screw, and (if original to the lock) the top jaw. Otherwise, the lock does appear European. Maybe the Family name continued to make guns and/or locks much later than the 15th Century without any records :idunno:
Overall, at the moment, I'm leaning toward a Belgium/Dutch made pistol for a private owner using Italian style hardware - if you can believe all that :haha:
Rick.
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