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Pete G

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Hang your new stuff outside in the weather for a couple of weeks. Usually the sun and rain will weather it just enough to not look like it is right off the shelf.
 

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Right again, for those who cant wait to age their clothes the old fashion way try urinating on them bury them for a week , dig them up and give to the dog for another week after that they should be HCPC for any feral persona . :)
 

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That's a pretty radical approach Phil and a bad practical joke. Isn't putting them on a pineapple a sounder idea?
 

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NO they will just end up smelling beery and not old timey at all .
 

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I've had Cherry Wheat but pineapple beer? No thanks Phil -- won't put it on my pizza either!
 

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Measure a consistent distance from the bottom edge of the crown around the hat. More points is better. The distance is up to you, but about a 4-5" brim is good; you can always cut smaller. Draw a line connecting the dots. Cut away the excess on the line. For extra authenticity, you can use shellac on the entire outside - I believe Stophel recommends this. For a nice step, get either black or white binding tape - wool or linen is best - fold it over along the top and bottom edges of your new brim, and stitch it down. Run a length of the binding tape around the bottom of the crown and stitch that on, using the smallest neatest hand stitches you can on all of it. You are then ready to steam it to the shape you want and/or tack up one or more sides.
 

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LongrifleDoc said:
Townsend sells a black felt blank with a liner. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make a rifleman's hat like the one pictured from this blank? http://jas-townsend.com/wool-felt-blank-lined-p-1258.html

Any help will be appreciated.
Comoultrie has some good suggestions.

My rifle/militia hat is just a simple blank, with a trimmed brim. The left side is pinned up with a homespun cockade consisting of a very small pewter eagle on a leather disk. This cockade holds the brim to the crown as well as a deer tail between the brim and crown. It has no band or liner.

For a hat that looks the part I am happy with it.

I have had some luck bringing new life to felt hats by simply wetting them. If I get caught in the rain and my hat gets soaked, I'll refine the shape as it slowly dries.

I have brought back some by using warm water, I have stuffed them with towels or used buckets, bowls, flower pots or whatever I could use to make a makeshift block. With one stuffed with soft material like towels, socks, rags, T shirts or what ever....I work the damp crown like a potter works clay. when I'm happy with the shape, I'll shape the brim and let the hat dry at room temperature in the shade or indoors to set the shape. If you set it in the sun or try to use heat, you'll have a tiny little hat.

Wool tends to loose it's shape quicker. My inexpensive brown topper from tophatsonline was about done. I removed the ribbon and bound edge. Wet it and blocked it over a tupperware container. Here is were I cheated, I sprayed it black. It's now stiff as a board.



I really do not recommend that but in this case that hat was about ready to be cut into wads. It gave it some more life.

I have rambled long enough for now but there is plenty you can do with a felt hat. For strict PC that's for my next post.
 
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Thanks to you and 54ball for the help.
Any advice on how to actually apply the steam and shellac?
 

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I do have an apple, pineapple and touch of cherry wine aging right now. Smells heavenly!
 

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Alden said:
Hey, those are good pics!
Thanks...and thanks to all.

A special thanks to Spence as he has inspired me for years with his BP notebook :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

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Some thoughts on hats. While a blank or a cheaper hat can make a very serviceable hat and look the part. One thing consider, especially those who want historical accuracy to the utmost detail is this.

Hat making was trade much like a tailor or a gun maker. In reenacting I think we think we can make the mistake of amateur or handmade being synonymous with authentic. That simply is not the case.

While one can make or modify a cheaper hat or blank to get a "look". A truly period hat is more involved. A truly period hat, sometimes is not the most expensive. I have found some truly period hats in the $150 or so range that are spot on IMHO. On the other hand, I have seen some $300 hats that in reality were not much better than a $25 tourist hat. So do the research and search for the best that fits your situation, not necessarily the most expensive nor the cheapest.

I guess you can say this is round two for me. I've been the hobby for a while. I've played the generic no name. Now I want to specialize into a more accurate portrayal. The best advice have have gotten was simply this. Tell the story.

I have told the story of
Hey I'm a guy from the Creek War.
Now I want to narrow that down some.

Persona I'm working towards it but as far as first person, I'm not even going to try at this time. If I could delete that mess I posted a while back on the persona page, I would.

Instead of Creek War Guy, my target is a detachment of East Tennessee Militia, namely the Cherokee Regiment under Col. Gideon Morgan. These men acted as scouts, foragers and spies. They kept Jackson's Army fed. Practically the only meat consumed by that army came from game and an occasional beef provided by those Native American soldiers.

Without the help of Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw and Creek patriots and that's what they were, loyal pro American patriots; The Creek War likely would have been a defeat for the United States.

That's the story I want to tell. Sadly it's not told. The brevity of the modern history class teaches it as a White vs Indian, Jackson vs Native or simply the Cowboys vs Indians which is not quite true.
 

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Here I am last week at Horseshoe Bend.




I'm cleaning the pan and flint of one of the park's Springfield 95s. If you look very close in the first photo you van make out some curl on the wrist of that musket. I was more than impressed with quality of those Pedersoli 95s, I can see why they cost so much.

Here was my first attempt at modifying my portrayal. I have redone my leggings to more of the SE style. The sides are secured with thongs that hang down to make a fringe.
I have on a pair of Center seam pucker toes I have just made with the side flaps up tied around the leggings. They were very pleasant to wear with no socks as the ground was moist. The pressure points soaked though on the bottom but that's it. It was cool that day but my feet were comfortable. I also had a pair of Jefferson's shoes in additions to my Mocs.

My brown leather leggings look 100% better than they did but I'm still not crazy about them. I need some buckskin or wool. They're going to do for know but I feel they need improving. The leg ties were just some ticking, I need to get some good ties or at least some wool tape.

I wore my hunting shirt open as many SE natives are depicted.

I'm playing around with my hat too. For that trip I had some printed calico for the band, a ostridge plume and some striped cock feathers. I had a piece of deer tail I used for a cockade. I'm not sure about it. The Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw and Chickasaws were ordered to have "deer tails and white feathers either on their hats or in their hair.

I've got more to do.
 

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Hello,
I like your write up.
Are you still in the forum?
I like your portrayal. I am looking to try out a native persona for the war of 1812 myself and looking for guidance.

Thank you,
John
 

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So, this topic/thread is around 6 years old.
54 Ball has contributed some great stuff to this forum in the past, but, unfortunately, has not been seen or heard from since,
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I had a part in a "made for television" show about the life of Tecumseh (I know, Hollywood realism). On the second day, before filming, the extras were gathered by our assistant director. We were standing around him. The AD started pointing out flaws in clothing and accessories ( we provided our own gear and firearms). The fellow next to me admitted the the fact that after filming the previous day, he washed and dried all his clothing, going so far as to iron the fringe on his hunting frock. So much for realism.
As for me and the other man that went with me, our clothing looked well worn. We had attended rendezvous and went deer hunting in our clothing. My hat has sweat stains and colors are faded from the weather.
In the scene we were filming, we were supposed to be a part of the Kentucky militia. We had been trying to catch up with Tecumseh and his band of warriors. We should have looked like we had been in the woods for several weeks. Most of the extras looked like pictures from a catalog. My friend and I were complimented on our ragged look.
 

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There are a few things that I would like to interject. One- thing's were new when they were new. Store ledgers prove that when the Longhunters were leaving from the settlements they bought items and replaced items, and took extras of some items. 2. Items were used until they were unusable and then used for something else. Those two facts lead to the third and that is that items from earlier eras are okay to use in later era's if that time would have been in a person's lifetime. A young private in the F&I war wearing a longer weskit during the AWI as an older man, so it would be appropriate for a middle aged man to wear a longer weskit, but not a younger man. This is often an overlooked fact that isn't applied. It wouldn't be appropriate for a man at a F&I reenactment to wear brogans or a short weskit..... but I wonder how many of those long weskit were shortened in the bush, as material was needed for something else? As fashion changed, that doesn't mean that older generations or those farther west embraced those changes. I would think based on historical records (lack of records) that any reenactments portraying the backcountry after Easter should have most of the participants barefooted. How often do you see that? For those of you that grew up in Appalachia how appropriate would that be?
Lastly, the historical record is not set in stone and constantly evolves. What is applicable today may be refuted by new evidence tomorrow. Yet we should still strive to be historically correct and trying to learn.
 
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What is applicable today may be refuted by new evidence tomorrow. Yet we should still strive to be historically correct and trying to learn.
Thank you.
This is what I am getting at when I say that it matters what we pass on for information and terminology when the "anything goes that seems right and was made of period available materials," crowd starts their nonsense.
Is is a lack of adherence to the principle of your quote that still has us fighting misinformation left over from the 1970s.
 

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