Beaver fur hats

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    Holy castor, Batman, 7-8 beaver hides for one hat? I had no idea. My dad used to hunt ducks on the Texas coast with the brothers Peltier, near Sabine Pass, who trapped 300 muskrat and 30 mink every night in the 1930's. One of the brothers offered to give my dad enough mink hides to make Mom a mink coat, but Dad said no, It cost so much to have it done.
     
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    I question the fact mountain made little of what they wore. The natives made garments and was happy to trade items. Trail food was produced by the native American and traded to trapping and trapping companies by hundreds of pounds.
     
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    I’m sure most boys could make moccs, but clothing was packed up and sold, most forts had men and Indian women who could make clothing. And we see from Canadian and Great Lakes tribes copies of white styles clothing quickly caught on. Indian women could copy any white worn out clothing.
    Can’t prove it but I just can’t see many trappers or employees of the fur companies making beaver hats.
     
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    I can see them making items, hats and pouches from fur that was damaged to the point it was not salable so the fur wouldn't be a total waste. I trapped a lot 45+ years ago and once a bird hunter with his shotgun blew the heads off two Red Fox that were in my traps 30yd's apart. Presumably to end their suffering. I tanned the hides and made a hat out of one and a pouch out of the other. Some things never change. :(

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    The picture is of my son and I. He's almost 60 years old now
     
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    You know that an interesting point. Beaver was a fur for the fur trade... but was not trapped as a fur.
    What I mean by that is otter or fox ect was and made in to collars, lapels, cuffs, muffs ect.
    Beaver was trapped for the wool undercoat.
    The skins were shaved, hairs separated, wool felted.
    So...
    When buying the fur would a skinning cut or other blemish to the hide count off, or was it judged solely based on the quality of the undercoat?
    Buyers are famous for seeing blemishes where no one else can.... but Indians traded along side of whites at the ‘voos, and it wasnt very smart to cheat Indians. And you couldn’t pay x for an Indian fur and y to the white guy next to him. And when Rocky Mountain fur and America fur was competing at the same ‘voo I wounded how much difference that would make.
     
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    I don't think fur buyers have changed much, top quality fur always brings top dollar. A couple early or small pelts will bring the cost down on the whole bunch. Buyers bid X amount per pelt. When I sold my fur at a fur auction they were all my best pelts, I would sell off my "culls" to a local buyer and keep the #1's for the auction.

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    Kind of my thinking: Why would anyone make a hat from money?
     
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    Having spent 15 years in the Alaskan interior, I can for sure tell that there is NOTHING warmer then a finely made beaver hat in 20 to 60 below zero. The fur cuts the wind, they are lite weight and insulation to hold in the heat is unparalleled. They are the best hat by far for cold doins!

    Combination of nice warm hair against your head, ears and neck combined with a tough hide that cuts the wind and wear n tare value makes the beaver hat a commodity in cold weather.
     
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    Back in the 80s at a lot of events you would see trades selling little mini beaver traps to pin on a hat.
    A friend had a good barn and we bought a few of those little traps and set some mouse traps in the barn. The next day we got a trophy photo of about thirty mice and half a dozen little vickers traps.
    I seem to have loss the photo.
     
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    I can agree , nothing was wasted. Sure is some very nice pictures of furs here.
     

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