Discussion in 'Handguns' started by Rat, Nov 9, 2018.
Oh no, now I'm going to have to check that out. Thanks. Not. !!!
Not based on anything historical, but with an experienced builder and some extra attention they can be made to look passingly similar to a Hawken pistol.
But it’s a fantasy gun and has the inherently stupid “patent breech” of the GPR and poor clenout “nut” design as well.
It may not be a copy of any particular design but it has a nice "utilitarian " look kind of like an American 1840s era military pistol.
I have several pistols and the ROA that I have killed several deer with. One day I will hunt with the pistols. But time goes by too fast. They are fun and do not need speed to kill.
True about the breech. The clean-out nut or screw is not a problem as long as it is never screwed in tight, or screwed in before the nipple is installed. It does/will butt up against the nipple threads. Best bet is to just replace it with a screw that has a head on it, and make sure that the threaded shank will not reach the nipple threads, and again, just barely snug it up, not tight.
I don't like the patent breech either, but I notice that on my Plain's Pistol that it is not a large reduction in diameter. You can get in there real easy to clean it with just about anything, worm or slotted patch head. I have had no miss fires with my Plains Pistol, or any other issues associated with it, which I believe is due to it's not having a large reduction in diameter. Of course I would prefer a flat breech, but, not a problem on this pistol. Just kind of "annoying".
I would not agree that it's a fantasy pistol, it's an honest, traditional single shot pistol, just not a specific copy of any antique pistol. It's a very accurate and powerful pistol, and I like that a lot.
I would think that by using a "flush" type cleaning method that you get all the crap out of the patent breech?
True. I think it's the guns with tiny powder chambers/tiny patent breeches that suffer the most. Again, the one on the Plains Pistol, and I assume the GPR, is "generous". Easy to clean.
How close is the CVA Mountain pistol to the Lyman Plains Pistol?
Not familiar with the CVA.
Well, they look alike, but I see the CVA is a drum and nipple gun, so they are probably breeched differently, probably differ in type of rifling, twist, etc.
They look alike externally but I feel , from the Plains Pistols I've handled , the Lyman will have the edge in fit and finish.
When I get my Plains Pistol I may have to do something fun with this CVA but I don't know what yet. The CVA seems to have an exceptionally well made barrel, uniformly sized bore and is accurate but the lock is complete junk. It feels like a Parris pirate cap gun when you cock it.
I own both in .50 cal. Both are excellent shooters. The CVA inletting and fit up are somewhat sloppy but the lock, at least on mine, is crisp and adjustable for a lighter trigger pull. It also requires 30 gn fffg to group well. The Lyman uses a better quality stock and has a better inletting and fit up. IMHO, the Lyman looks a lot better.
just for info here is the Lyman pistol.
Fit and finish on my PP is excellent. Lock does indeed look more robust, on the Plain's Pistol.
I like that the Plains Pistol doesn't have the enormous, hideous rear sight like a Pedersoli Kentucky .
Does the Plains Pistol share the same .360 dovetail as the Plains Rifle?
It's the same barrel and breech, as the rifle.
So it does have the .360 dovetail.....hmm
I ordered a .54 Plains Pistol from muzzle-loaders.com , at $298 it was the best price I could find.
I figured I already have a .54 rifle that I lube and size Minies and also use .520 and .530 round balls in so I won't be adding a new caliber plus why not, the bigger the better.
You won't be disappointed. My 54 GP Pistol is deadly out to 40 yards if I do my part.
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