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Tom A Hawk

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Probably should not say, lest I be flamed, and most find 30 grains to be a good load, but in my .50" I find that up to 60-65 grains is still very accurate, with patched round ball or the "PA" bullet, but that is about my limit for recoil. I have fired it with 70 grains, but yeah, it requires such a death-grip that it's hard to get a steady hold for good aim. About the same as a .44 mag with 60-65 grains. The reason I fire that heavy of a load is that when calling cougar, I like to set my handgun on my right, so that if (and when) a cougar comes in from behind and to my right, I can shoot it better with the pistol (it's going to be close) than trying to swing around to my right with the rifle. Too much movement which will spook the kitty cat.

ATTABOY! I shoot 85 grains FF in mine. I grip it with the left hand forward near the end of the stock and consider it a short rifle. The accuracy is excellent. Makes a big boom too.:)
 
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Very little demand, I'd say....they make Flint plains rifles for some states' "Primitive " deer season but most of the pistols are sold to people who just play with them at the range.

Pedersoli makes some very nice flint Kentucky pistols like the Bounty Hunter.
 

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I have a 45 cal pistol. It looks a lot like the plains pistols you all are discussing. On the barrel Jukar Spain, 45 cal is printed.
I have never shot it, but plan to, soon. Can anyone tell me more about this pistol? I got it from a yard sale for $1.50. Bought it way before I got into Black Powder shooting. Thought it was a good coffee table decoration. By the way, where can I get a ramrod with a jag for this pistol?
 

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OB One.
Your pistol looks like it is the same gun that was sold by CVA in the 1980's and '90's. Dixie Gunworks called it a English Belt Pistol.

Jukar was the Spanish company that made these early imports. They were later made by Ardesa, the same company that currently makes most of the guns sold by Traditions. (Traditions took over the sale of sidelock type guns after CVA decided to only sell modern muzzleloaders that we don't discuss on this site.)

The Jukar guns are not expensive guns but they are functional.

Because it is a true muzzleloading pistol, it would be happy shooting .440 diameter lead balls with a rather thin cotton patch around the ball. Look for patches that are around .010 to .012 thick.

A powder charge of 20 to 30 grains of black powder, Pyrodex or Triple Se7en powder would be about right for the load.
 

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I have to always remember when I talk about charges of black powder and black powder substitutes to make sure I am referring to grains by volume. If you weigh some of the substitutes, you are loading far more powder than is needed. Get a volume measure when you buy your powder.
 

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I have a 45 cal pistol. It looks a lot like the plains pistols you all are discussing. On the barrel Jukar Spain, 45 cal is printed.
I have never shot it, but plan to, soon. Can anyone tell me more about this pistol? I got it from a yard sale for $1.50. Bought it way before I got into Black Powder shooting. Thought it was a good coffee table decoration. By the way, where can I get a ramrod with a jag for this pistol?
Want to make a 1,000% profit on that pistol? I'll give you 11 bucks for it and pay the shipping too!!!!!
(Nice find...)
 

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OB One, I have one of those pistols in flint. It is fun to shoot and Zonie is right on the loads. You will probably find that it shoots quite high with really low front sight. Do some plinking with it and after you see what it will do then you can tweet or change the sights. Mine has a wedge pinned to a small hole in the front of the barrel. It seems to be way two low. You could file down the rear, but a taller front sight would be better. Oh, I would double Griz44Mags offer. :D

If your's is similar to mine it uses a metal ramrod about 3/16" in diameter with a button on the end. It is pretty much useless. You might drill out the hole and add a regular ramrod you could make or just carry a rod long enough to load it.
 
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Your right about the ramrod being rather useless but if OB One wants to get a replacement he might try calling the folks at Deer Creek to see if they have a replacement.

Here is their address:

Deer Creek Products
6989 E Michigan Rd
Waldron, IN 46182
(765) 525-6181

They also now have a web site. I didn't see anything listed for the English Belt Pistol but they might have something that would work.

http://www.deercreekproducts.net/

Because nothing was listed on their "ONLINE STORE" area it might be best to call them and tell them exactly what is needed.
 

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Thanks for all the info.. I'm going to try and shoot it tomorrow.
 

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OK I got the Ramrod from Deer Creek. Exactly as needed, just like the original one.
 

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Good looking pistol. Got one like it I picked up for a small amount from an antique store. I will match and double Kansas Jake's bid.
 

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You guys keep bidding on OB One's pistol and I might be tempted to sell mine in flint. :)
 

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I have one in 54. Cast my own balls amd conicals.
I also have 2 Thompson Center Scout pistol frames and 3 barrels.
45/50/54. All excellent shooters with the right loads
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I have a TC Scout in 50 cal I picked up at an auction. it had no grip panels or fore arm wood. Do you have or do you know someone that has what I need. Either going to fix it up or resell it.
DL
 

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Yes the Plains Pistol is limited by recoil, and not the charge, although if the lock and barrel are not bedded right you can get a cracked stock. 85 grains would be beyond my recoil limit. With any of the heavy charges, one won't be shooting it one-handed either!
 

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I'm getting a Plains pistol in .50 ,I just think it looks cool.
 
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