1858 Remington Brass real ?

[X Ring]

Been looking , maybe some help:
As well known the G&G 1951 Confederate 1851 round barrel is a brass frame.

Did the confederacy manufacture or import a
1858 Remington ( any cal) with a brass frame)

Obviously there are replicas of the 1858 with brass frames, but is that an original concept and manufactured firearm back in the day ?

 

[Gee Dog]

No. Brass .44 and .36 Remingtons are strictly an Italian thing. Never happened in real life.

 

[wiscoaster]

Some Confederate revolvers that were close copies of the Remington had brass frames. This, for example:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/a-look-back-at-the-spiller-burr-revolver/from above artical:

very close in design and form to the 1858 Remington

 

[X Ring]

Very much thanks . I luv top notch accurate information.
That question about the 1858 REM brass frame revolver has plagued me since I have been a kid ! NO KIDDING …
But really great info. It would be a pleasure to pick up one of the Spiller / Burr replicas just to have something a little different.
Thank you again for all your input.

 

[Trot]

The Spiller and Burr was actually pretty much a copy of the Whitney revolver. The only real resemblance to a Remington is that they both are closed top frame designs with octagonal barrel. The Whitney used an odd cylinder base pin set-up to avoid treading on Remington patents and the Spiller and Burr copied that.

 

[nick_1]

just don't buy a brasser unless you just want to hang it on the wall. they look pretty but don't hold up to real shooting.

 

[nkbj]

Make lots of memories with your brass frames and then hang them on the wall.

 

[Sir Boniface Harrison]

just don't buy a brasser unless you just want to hang it on the wall. they look pretty but don't hold up to real shooting.

I'm not so sure - I have heard from several quarters (anecdotes, I realise) that the Italian makers put more phospherous in their brass, which makes it considerably harder - 'gun metal', in fact. That said, I would only buy a brasser if it had an historical provenance, such as a Spiller and Burr.

 

[nick_1]

so you heard on the internet that modern brass is plenty strong for a revolver frame... I heard the same crapola on the internet and forked out my money only because I could not find a steel fame at that time. My bad.. 2020 Italian brass ...

 

[Sir Boniface Harrison]

so you heard on the internet that modern brass is plenty strong for a revolver frame... I heard the same crapola on the internet and forked out my money only because I could not find a steel fame at that time. My bad.. 2020 Italian brass ... View attachment 333542
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Oh dear... has it thoroughly 'shaken loose' then? Was tempted to get a Spiller and Burr. Maybe I wont now.

 

[nick_1]

you can see the huge gap at the cylinder. It still shoots but days are numbered INMOP . if you just want a historicaly accurate spillier and Burr then by all means buy one but don't expect it to be a daily shooter. I have only about a thousands rnds through that .44 brasser. I burned out two .36 brassers in the 70s

 

[qprhooligan]

so you heard on the internet that modern brass is plenty strong for a revolver frame... I heard the same crapola on the internet and forked out my money only because I could not find a steel fame at that time. My bad.. 2020 Italian brass ...

How many rounds fired and what size charge did you typically use?

 

[nick_1]

I suspect I put about 1k rds through the 2021 brasser Bison. 25g T7 3f and .454 Rb. The two .36 cals that I shot out in the 70s were probobly navy arms? 1851 navy and the confederate one with the round barrel. that was all RB and real BP . I use the same spout to load my steel 2021 pietta 1858 that I used on the brass Bison and have a bit over 2k rnds through the steel 1858 with everything seeming to work ok. I do have a drag mark on the cylinder from the bolt, whatever that means? also the pointy thing that turns the cylinder is looking pretty abused. I tried shooting 30g of T7 for just one cylinder and that seemed too hot. 25g seems pretty reasonable with less recoil than .45acp