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  1. Jonathan Lovell

    Turned Up Like a Heron

    I wish to show something that may be relevant to this discussion if anyone is interested. I recently acquired what I believe is a Scottish doglock from around 1730. This gun certainly fits Glenn Osbornes idea: What if the phrase actually referred to being turned up (stocked) like a herrings butt...
  2. Jonathan Lovell

    I.C. Stöhr, Hanau c.1750

    I guess as I acquired it from the old country (not too far from Hanau and in an area where Hessians were active through the 17 and 18th centuries) it is not so valuable. I shall fix the wrist and consider what to do next. It looks like real fire is in the wood.
  3. Jonathan Lovell

    I.C. Stöhr, Hanau c.1750

    Thanks, I will ask. Would you mind taking a look; it is signed on the lock which has been converted from a flintlock.
  4. Jonathan Lovell

    I.C. Stöhr, Hanau c.1750

    Hi, Does anyone have any information on the gunmaker I.C. Stöhr in Hesse-Hanau around 1750? Best, Joe
  5. Jonathan Lovell

    Brown Bess with Russian Marks????

    Thanks, I really did not expect to find another with that mark. Also, the barrel is 42 inches so it is more like a Short Land Pattern.
  6. Jonathan Lovell

    Brown Bess with Russian Marks????

    I didn’t mean to, sorry. I found this all out over the last 24 hours and the Vyborg stamp this morning.
  7. Jonathan Lovell

    Brown Bess with Russian Marks????

    I just found another identical gun to my pair. It also has the Vyborg emblem and the GB marks together on the side plate. It has been identified as Swedish. Britain supplying Russia with arms in 1760, interesting…..
  8. Jonathan Lovell

    Brown Bess with Russian Marks????

    I also do not know what to make of the capital R. It is stamped under the barrels of both guns. Perhaps it stands for Russia.
  9. Jonathan Lovell

    Brown Bess with Russian Marks????

    Hi Dave, I am certain it is not the M1747, the side plate is wrong. It is definitely the M1760/1762. The stock fore-end of the gun in the photo is not original, neither are the last two thimbles. I have a second Swedish musket from the same year that is completely intact and nearly identical...
  10. Jonathan Lovell

    Brown Bess with Russian Marks????

    Hi all I am working on two flintlock muskets (one is a conversion), They are both marked T and GB over the barrel and in other places and dated to 1760. These appear to be British marks and the guns are basically Long Land pattern Brown Besses set up in Sweden (probably using Swedish stocks) and...
  11. Jonathan Lovell

    Identification of barrel marks

    M 1762 is the second gun, the first may be earlier.
  12. Jonathan Lovell

    Identification of barrel marks

    You were right about the country of origin; I found several Swedish guns that are very similar. Interesting that they were built for England (perhaps even English auxiliary infantry in the American colonies ;-); I guess that would be the GB on the barrel. Thanks for your help identifying the...
  13. Jonathan Lovell

    Identification of barrel marks

    Hi, no, I already looked at that one, the stock is all wrong. My pair really do look like the old style Brown Bess. A number of European experts came to this conclusion, but it is certainly not British.
  14. Jonathan Lovell

    Identification of barrel marks

    To be more precise, they fit best as relics of the Russo-Swedish War. Frederick I (FR) was King of Sweden from 1720 and Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel (Kassel - modern) from 1730 to his death in 1751. It is feasible that both guns were built around the time of the War of the Austrian Succession (1741...
  15. Jonathan Lovell

    Identification of barrel marks

    I have talked to others, it is not a Norwegian and most probably not a Swedish musket, but it certainly has a Swedish connection, perhaps during the 7 years war.
  16. Jonathan Lovell

    Identification of barrel marks

    Yes, you are looking at the underside. The cartouche is normally hidden by the stock.
  17. Jonathan Lovell

    Identification of barrel marks

    Hi, thanks for getting back. The percussion lock is a conversion. The other photo is how that gun would have looked and is in the original form.
  18. Jonathan Lovell

    Identification of barrel marks

  19. Jonathan Lovell

    Identification of barrel marks

    Hi Everyone I am trying to identify some barrel marks on a pair of military muskets I have. They are walnut stocked flint/doglocks from around the 1740s with a .75 inch caliber and 3 ramrod thimbles and a somewhat unusual bayonet lug. They look similar to an old style Brown Bess but are most...
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