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    Getting closer on my new build

    3f or 4f, depends on what you're doing with it (for me, ball guns under .45 are prime candidates for 4F, in order to keep the charge short), you'll use less weight for the same velocity, as the finer granulations are more efficient at converting to gas/pressure (plus the finer granulations...
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    Loads in a original rem 1858

    WIlliam O. & nkbj- I read the link a little more carefully, and this is what I've gleaned from the wording as to the loading method the guy was using, post #15. It's a bit excessive, if you ask me lol 😲 SDSmlf's post (#18) he measured how much powder the chamber can hold up to the mouth, which...
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    Loads in a original rem 1858

    Let me just say that I'm sorry to hear that about the Swedish, like many lands in Northern and Central Europe, you had such a great hunting and shooting sport culture for so long :(... To check-over a revolver for serviceability: If you have access to a caliper (it doesn't have to be a terribly...
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    Loads in a original rem 1858

    yah, chlorate enhanced powders can be hard on things. lol oh, if its original, I definitely wouldn't be trying what that guy in the link was playing with lol
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    Loads in a original rem 1858

    It's also really not necessary lol, a certain modern .45 only lobs a 230gr bullet at about 830fps... and most people think it's just dandy lol. I would recommend doing what they did originally with these, load it up with super fine pistol powder and put a bullet on top for serious stuff, and...
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    Loads in a original rem 1858

    I read the link you posted again a little more carefully, and this quote might explain the weight difference as well: " [referencing .36 revolvers:] 35 grains of 3F Pyrodex filled the chambers all the way to the top. When then the 80 grain ball was seated it significantly compressed the Pyrodex...
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    Loads in a original rem 1858

    Modern steel? Although the steel Remington and Colt were using by the late 50's and into the 60's isn't all that different from what repro's use today (their heat treatments were generally better, because the stuff they were producing then weren't treated as novelties lol). "just fill up the...
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    Babcock Open frame rifle.

    I'm so used to modern repros that have "conventional" lock setups that I forget that lol. My family owns some weapons that aren't the topic of the forum that don't have safety notches lol.
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    Babcock Open frame rifle.

    No discussion about modern Muzzle loaders... other than to state that some designs are open as well, so concerns over cap fragments aren't apparently that much of a concern. There were pull-cock designs from the 1700's and 1800's so that's not modern either. That was the irritating bit, and I...
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    Loads in a original rem 1858

    yah, that light of charge would essentially be a light plinking load lol, still dangerous, but much less so than the better offerings. Well, you also have to think, without chronographs available, it'd be hard for civilian consumers to see what their gun was actually doing. Just like cheap ammo...
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    Loads in a original rem 1858

    From what I understand, Colt's Cartridges with Hazard's powder were considered by many to be the best available. I'd venture to guess the light charge weights were made with a courser granulation of powder, which would have been cheaper to produce at the time (less handling in the powder mill...
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    Babcock Open frame rifle.

    like suggesting that some military smoothbores had rear sights lol...minds blown 🤯
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    Loads in a original rem 1858

    If you weigh it out, you might (maybe) fit 50 gr of 4f in the chamber AND get a ball seated (you'd have to tamp the hell out of it and I'm still not sure you can do it with 4F... Maybe 0B swiss?), you definitely wouldn't be able to do that with a conical lol. The Pyrodex P is roughly 3F granule...
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    Babcock Open frame rifle.

    There I go over-thinking it again 🤣
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    Babcock Open frame rifle.

    I feel this was largely meant to be a target gun though, I would feel pretty uneasy about the lack of half cock notch actually acting as a safe proposition in the field lol. Might need to add a "stalking safety" of some sort. could be something as simple as a block that rotates or slides over to...
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    Babcock Open frame rifle.

    It's not an age thing with some people (when the gun was made)... that inline flintlock I posted a pic of was dated 1738... pre-percussion, older than the USA. I've seen other's, including Matchlocks with the pan built into the breech plug (early 19th century make, India). Many late...
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    Babcock Open frame rifle.

    And once again, I will reference the countless posts and threads on this site that concern Percussion Revolvers... even though they aren't Muzzle Loaders at all... and the fact that an advertising sponsor is a modern, break action, inline gun producer (I understand, do what you have to do for...
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    Babcock Open frame rifle.

    But when their first reaction when discussing a historical, traditional rifle is to try and shut the conversation down, because it doesn't advance a Disney-Davey-Crocket fantasy... that's a problem. It's been a problem since the 50's, the original guys who brought muzzle loading back in the 30's...
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    Babcock Open frame rifle.

    The issue is when people try to enforce a "standard", but that standard isn't really a defined (or definable) standard; and so, oddly enough, it comes out to be identical to their personal preferences. There's a big difference between trying to force everyone to do things your personal way of...
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