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    Mods, thanks for editing a post I wrote. I'd prefer it had been deleted rather than editing an important part of what I wrote even if mentioned a general class of firearms and weaponry without being specific. It altered what I was trying to say to the point that it was not the way I'd have...
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    Carbon is right, that there would have been numerous border problems not only along the "old" borders of states that existed before 1861, but with western boundaries, and very possibly over who would have access to the Pacific. During the post WWII Cold War there were more than a few situations...
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    India, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and other colonies separated with the mutual agreement regarding Britain. It was peaceful and with mutual agreement. The southern states didn't do that, or even attempt to see if a legal and mutual agreed on process of dissolving the political bonds was...
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    Society in general, doesn't usually care about what -one- person does and their personal choices, provided they are not harmful to other people. A "doughnut" eater that forces his wife and children to eat only doughnuts, or the motorcycle driver who won't let passengers wear helmets demanding no...
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    Ok, nice to have that statement for the record, because elsewhere in this thread you've told us you were telling us how *they* thought about a range of subjects. You should reflect on what some of those subjects were and how they can be seen in the light of you saying you are posting your...
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    Bassackwards even.
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    I hear crazy people...
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    "Coup" is a word that means "a blow". Yes, it was more than an attempt, it was an actual one. Davis struck a blow against the United States by attacking Sumter, and started a war. Something that has been suggested by a few historians, is Davis was concerned about the southern states that...
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    You were spot on the other day when you said you can't quite see things from "through their eyes". Northern eyes that is because you can only see matters from an insulated white southern point of view when it concerns the antebellum south and war years. What you call defensive thinking can also...
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    Again, you get your "facts" wrong. Actually, your the one spinning and distorting the historical record. Did you conveniently forget to consider Davis began calling for troops BEFORE Sumter, and to a much larger extent than the Federal Army was before Sumter. Davis' call for troops was in...
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    That's more if's, and's, but's and other anti-historical hallucinating. No one knows what's actually going to happen in the future. Lincoln had to deal with the war foisted off on him through southern secession and the violence dealt out at Sumter. If you truly believe that's how things might...
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    Several times you've claimed the south wanted to be "left alone." Facts and events suggest otherwise. In 1861, the south fired the first shots. When Federal troops crossed the Potomac bridges into Virginia shortly after Sumter was taken, Virginia had already joined the war on the side of the...
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    Start here: https://civilwartalk.com/threads/army-of-northern-virginia-gettysburg-and-seizing-blacks.112102/ The actual numbers are estimates and there is a range of how many were abducted. I'll try to find the figure for "3,000", although I can't say if it's accurate or not.
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    Something else to reflect on, is southern soldiers looting southern civilians during the war. If southerners could not prevent their own soldiers from looting in the south, is it logical to think southern soldiers would have refrained from doing the same in the north? "This Day in Georgia Civil...
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    Oh, and by the way, there were other attempts by elements of the southern military to attack civilian targets in the north. Confederates raiders launched a raid on St. Albans, Vermont in 1864, where they robbed three banks, killed a local in the process, and fled back across the Canadian border...
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    If you'd read my post, then you would have noticed I said if/when farmers were paid, it was in worthless confederate script. The ransom demanded by southerners during the 1864 incursion into Pennsylvania was not something they could pay as they did not have $100,000 in gold AND $500,000 in...
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    Obviously you never read anything, or if you did are ignoring facts suggesting the opposite. During the 1862 invasion of Maryland, Lee attempted to keep his troops in control because he wanted to be careful of alienating Marylander with pro-southern sympathies. By 1863, that changed. During the...
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    BINGO! During the 1863 invasions, southern troops did engage in more than armed robbery. Upwards of 3000 blacks were taken by force and sent south where they were sold into slavery. No distinction was made between free-born blacks who were born in the north, freedman who left the south and had...
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    Several times over the last two-hundred pages of posts, you've said the views you present aren't yours, but theirs. Now you openly admit you can "never see the world through their eyes." Interesting.
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    Wow..... I guess you forgot all about the previous posts pointing out the *PREWAR* southern censorship of the press, censorship of private mail in southern states, jailing of newspaper editors in southern states, and repression of freedom of speech in southern states, when it was adverse to...
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