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Traditional M/L Guns from India

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Hi John

The pan is forged with the barrel as well as the rear sight. I would think this would be difficult to do. But every Torador barrel I've seen is made in this manner.

The serpentine (match holder) and trigger mechanism is very simple. A slotted hole is bored through the stock and allows the serpentine portion to be mounted a single pin.

Barrels were held to the stock with bands made of brass, iron, wire, and even rattan (rope). LOL A combination of what was available and the builder's technique.

Here is a good, short introduction to these guns, per Pukka's mention above:



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This is so interesting. Does anyone know if the Torador's in the video, are available for purchase?
 
Fagan arms has one that I was considering, before I decided to stick to a couple of European replicas.

No idea how good the price is. The forum has rules against directly linking to seller websites.
 
Maybe that hook SWIVELS to hold the bow riser?????? Those 2 little 'tulip' shaped ends (on the 2 lower prongs) may 'snap' over and lock to the top of the finial for the sling swivel escutcheon?

Bow.jpg
 
I have another question that isn't related to the design of the gun. Expanding on the end of your post, does anyone know how these were employed in battle? Were Indian gun armed soldiers in their own units and firing by rank? I have fairly limited knowledge on pre English Indian history, but I have seen mention that sword and shield armed troops existed through the 19th century, so I assume there was some sort of mixed infantry combat? I do not know how many Indian members we have, but there were an impressive amount of area participation in the Ottoman thread.
You'll note that they still kept using swords and daggers, just sayin'.....I wonder if these awkward guns were more for show than anything; one shot and draw your blade!
 
Could this hook have been of use for shooting from the back of an elephant? Somehow hooked into a harness?
 
I think I figured it out:
Matchlock combination bow and musket (1801-1830).jpg

The bow goes in the front. The hooks allow the lashing to more easily be attached and removed for storing/travelling. From my 5 minute google search, India widely used composite bows, so the shape of the front of the hooks could be more natural for fitting that design. This way, the substantial bolting of the hook and wood stock support directly absorb the force of the bow.
 
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