Trigger weight on Black Powder Revolvers?

Jedidiah said:

So based on your logic ,which I totally disagree with" no matter how bad a person was/is they should always be allowed to have firearms? Another example of the "paying " the debt to society crock! Based on this logic a pedophile who does his time, should be allowed to have jobs etc with little children. A felons debt to society may be paid "legally" but many times it is never repaid morally/socially/psychologically, where the victim never recovers fully and lives with the trauma and mental scars always!

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By your logic, the only real punishment for felons should be death, because they can never truly recompense the victim for their suffering.
You either believe in the rights of the individual, or you don't.
And you either believe in just and measured judicial punishment, or you don't.
My question to you is, would you have cast the first stone?

swathdiver said:

Some folks believe in and support the Constitution, some folks don't. A pedo ought to be executed. That's their debt to society.

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Then their debt is paid.

hlhanna said:

By your logic, the only real punishment for felons should be death, because they can never truly recompense the victim for their suffering.
You either believe in the rights of the individual, or you don't.
And you either believe in just and measured judicial punishment, or you don't.
My question to you is, would you have cast the first stone?

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I think you are trying to put a simple answer on a complex set of problems. My logic does not say all Felons should be executed, never did. I believe that Felons can cause harm that can be long lasting and permanent and that the rights of the victim override any rights of Felons, which they gave up when they decide to break the law. I believe strongly in the rights of the individual, and I believe just as strongly that you can forfeit your rights by your poor choices and criminal behavior. Unfortunately, there are times when there will never be complete & full compensation. That is a plain and simple fact. Just & measured is relative, which is why some States have Capital punishment and some do not. I do not think Jesus liked Capital punishment. If the woman was convicted in a legitimate, honest court of law and the punishment was "stoning", then it is what it is. We are asked to sit on juries every day, in judgement of others. It is not a requirement to never have made a mistake etc to be on a jury. Stoning, Hanging, Electric Chair, Gas Chamber, Lethal Injection, Firing Squad. Dead is Dead. IMHO

Jedidiah said:

I think you are trying to put a simple answer on a complex set of problems. My logic does not say all Felons should be executed, never did. I believe that Felons can cause harm that can be long lasting and permanent and that the rights of the victim override any rights of Felons, which they gave up when they decide to break the law. I believe strongly in the rights of the individual, and I believe just as strongly that you can forfeit your rights by your poor choices and criminal behavior. Unfortunately, there are times when there will never be complete & full compensation. That is a plain and simple fact. Just & measured is relative, which is why some States have Capital punishment and some do not. I do not think Jesus liked Capital punishment. If the woman was convicted in a legitimate, honest court of law and the punishment was "stoning", then it is what it is. We are asked to sit on juries every day, in judgement of others. It is not a requirement to never have made a mistake etc to be on a jury. Stoning, Hanging, Electric Chair, Gas Chamber, Lethal Injection, Firing Squad. Dead is Dead. IMHO

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Then you believe that any crime classed as a felony brings an immediate life sentence, maybe not incarceration, but permanent punishment nevertheless.
Is that just?
For drug abuse?
Tax evasion?
You do know that a felony is any crime that carries a sentence of one year or more in prison, don't you?
And being sentenced by a court is the very definition of justice?
So we should still hang 10 year olds for theft?
Plenty were sentenced and hanged just for that, convicted by a jury and sentenced by a judge.
And you are ok with that, because the forms were observed.
By the way, if caught in flagrante delicto, it was perfectly legal to stone adulterers.

Felonies aren't federally defined, the definition and punishment vary state to state.
If someone thinks the laws in their state are unjust or should be changed in some way, they can write to their representatives and explain their concerns. We really do live in a democracy.

Jim in Wisconsin said:

Felonies aren't federally defined, the definition and punishment vary state to state.
If someone thinks the laws in their state are unjust or should be changed in some way, they can write to their representatives and explain their concerns. We really do live in a democracy.

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Actually, we live in a representative Republic ( you even mentioned our "representatives"). Ben Franklin helped set it up and stated we have a "Republic . . . if we can keep it".
A Democracy is nothing but "mob" rule.

Mike

Webster's Dictionary - fourth edition -
De-moc-ra-cy
1- government in which supreme power is exercised directly by the people or by their elected agents

This is some strange dialog for a subject of trigger weights on BP handguns.

Wild thread. Back to the OP. I prefer them around 2-3lbs. They can be less but you really have to remember what's in your hands if the trigger is a pound. They can be higher as long as it is crisp without too much positive engagement.

I reckon anyone can look at them as "toys" if they wish but I do not. I shoot my single action sixguns, a lot and I take them very seriously. I run them fast and in the case of cartridge guns, I reload them fast. When I carry them in the woods, they are truly my sidearm, not just a costume accessory. Which is no more important than it is when hunting with a one shot flintlock. I'm fully capable of sending my enemies to judgment with a sixgun.

Jim in Wisconsin said:

Webster's Dictionary - fourth edition -
De-moc-ra-cy
1- government in which supreme power is exercised directly by the people or by their elected agents

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And there is a wee bit more to it than that. The Athenians created the first democracy and they could exile citizens by popular vote. It is literally mob rule. Our republic better protects the rights of the minority.

Jim in Wisconsin said:

Webster's Dictionary - fourth edition -
De-moc-ra-cy
1- government in which supreme power is exercised directly by the people or by their elected agents

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Yes, it also says "rule by majority".

So, did you look up Republic?
"rule by elected representatives"

mushka said:

This is some strange dialog for a subject of trigger weights on BP handguns.

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I agree.

Mike

hlhanna said:

Then you believe that any crime classed as a felony brings an immediate life sentence, maybe not incarceration, but permanent punishment nevertheless.
Is that just?
For drug abuse?
Tax evasion?
You do know that a felony is any crime that carries a sentence of one year or more in prison, don't you?
And being sentenced by a court is the very definition of justice?
So we should still hang 10 year olds for theft?
Plenty were sentenced and hanged just for that, convicted by a jury and sentenced by a judge.
And you are ok with that, because the forms were observed.
By the way, if caught in flagrante delicto, it was perfectly legal to stone adulterers.

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Not much point continuing the discussion. You are intentionally taking what I say out of its proper context and applying your own meaning to it. Also, the only thing "rising" in the South, is the number of Liberals and the cost of living. Have a nice day.

William Hickok reportedly admired his cap & ball revolvers. Gotta say, a brace identical to his would "fill the place with pistol smoke" in a hurry. That he preferred them has always been interesting. Details about his pistols are probably available. Don't know.

Accidental discharges happen. Odds increase when someone with zero knowledge picks up a screwdriver and a file. Saddest part about hunting accidents is that the victims are most always someone we care about (friends & family) because that's who we hunt with.

Smooth, predictable trigger's more important than an ultra-light pull weight. Not until the shooter is able to "stage fire" that pistol will its full potential be achieved.

mushka said:

This is some strange dialog for a subject of trigger weights on BP handguns.

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Agree but I appreciate that about our moderators, allowing the conversation to develop and evolve as it does in face to face conversation in "real life".

Long Story short= a Felon can appeal for an Expungement of their crime in those cases as, a re-examination of the case shows that they warrant an Expungement. And if they haven't re-offended

The same applies to people who received a Dishonorable Discharge. You can apply for an upgrade .

Some states allow a partial or even full restoration of gun rights . If you're a Violent Felon, probably not likely but there's a chance

Going over what people believe in or don't believe in doesn't change Federal and State law. In my state a Felon can't own anything with a trigger , but they can bow hunt . I've heard of people with Felonies getting permission from the State to hunt with long guns.

If a Felon can't qualify for any of these then they most likely can't demonstrate that they are a candidate for restoration of partial or full gun rights

If you are 302'd and committed you also can't buy or own guns , or if you have a Marijuana card. You can own guns with a Medical Marijuana card but not carry or buy them.

Just because something "is BS" or tyranny or unconstitutional doesn't make it less of a Law or a fact. I enjoy my Freedom so I live within the law. People want to reinterpret the law you do so at your own risk

If you know any felons, encourage them to retain a good Lawyer and go through the Expungement process and also tell them to stay the hel off YouTube

One (1) lady single handedly got Cabelas to stop internet black powder gun sales so keep that in mind. It doesn't take much anymore and social media/ YouTube can be Weaponized.

Jedidiah said:

Not much point continuing the discussion. You are intentionally taking what I say out of its proper context and applying your own meaning to it. Also, the only thing "rising" in the South, is the number of Liberals and the cost of living. Have a nice day.

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No sir, I did not change the meaning of what you said, I only boiled off the fat from the meat.
You said that felons should be stripped of basic rights for life, even if they have served out their sentence and are not on parole.
That is exactly what you stated.
And, as always, the curse of the South is carpetbaggers and scalawags.
And they will be gone one day.

What the hell does a felon have to do with trigger weight. Starting to get rediculas here.

Old-Duckman said:

It is a fact that Charles Manson never personally murdered anyone. If you tell someone to go commit a crime and they do so, should you be charged for the crime that person committed?

He was insane to be sure, I have watched many of his interviews, but should he have been sentenced to life in prison? He himself said that he shouldn’t be allowed out but at other times he said that he shouldn’t be incarcerated. An unusual case to be sure. I found him to be quite the interesting character.

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At the very least he is an accessory.

mushka said:

What the hell does a felon have to do with trigger weight. Starting to get rediculas here.

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Felons shouldn’t be allowed firearms with less than 25# trigger pull and 1/4” of creep and over travel. There, back on track.

Too far gone off topic ....

LD