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Rancocas said:
Kibler. Kibler. Kibler. Sheech! Kibler is all over this forum. You might think Kibler is the ONLY gun maker.
Come on guys! Get off it!
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Hmmm...
While I have the utmost respect and admiration for muzzleloading rifle builders, professional & amateur, I am not one of them and likely don't possess the patience or other qualities desired to build a fine muzzleloading flintlock.
That being said, I have always preferred quality firearms and as I give serious consideration to "assembling" and finishing a quality flintlock "kit", Jim Kibler's offering floats to the top - for me.
As others have already stated, the quality of what Jim Kibler offers in materials, advice & service is excellent.
Like the old saying goes ; "when you buy quality you only cry once."
 
Blackbeard4590 said:
I was looking at our Sponsor Directory and did not see Kibler listed. Is this correct?
If he does not sponsor this site, I personally find that odd, given the 1000's of free ads he receives here from the members.
Hope I am wrong or looking in the wrong place.
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Your wrong on one thing only, CUSTOMERS GIVING POSITIVE RATINGS ,is not (SPONSORING !!) So I guess your confused/ or can't define/recognize the difference/just sayin proud Kibler and a PROUD owner/assembler/Ed
 
Sparkplug said:
I just got into the sport a little over a year ago. Back then I didn't know a Kibbler from a TC. I didn't even know who or what it was all about until a few months ago. I never knew he was part of the group until today!

Around January I started toying with the idea of building a kit. So, as always, I started my research. I wanted something that was going to be top quality at a reasonable price (sounds old school, right?) that would last (borders on unreasonbale these days!). I found all sorts of manufactureres that made stuff closer to my budget, but none had the look or the quality I was looking for.

A short time after, I joined this and the sister group. Until then, I had been flying solo with no others to discuss BP with. I wasn't on FB either, so there's that. I kept seeing the name and decided to research it. I was amazed at what I read, saw, and discovered. Here was someone producing exactly what I was looking for! And, through my research, I discovered he was Old School business! You pay a reasonable price for high quality!

I already have my cash stash saving up for one. Nearly there!$$$

I see he is a supporting member already, so he is paying to be here. Him not paying to advertise here shows me humbleness. Letting the quality of his work do the advertising for him shows pride without being boastful. This combined with his reputation makes him someone I want to do business with.

I know my 2 cents ain't worth a plug nickel, but there it is, anyway.
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If your almost there , order now as no deposit and less waiting time/Ed
 
Troopertree said:
I own 2 kiblers and I am a fan boy. I also have several others that I shoot and one that cannot be shot. I have noticed that of the post I have read and post where a builder offers helpful comments Jim Kibler is the only one I have seen. That being said if other builders have contributed to threads I gladly stand corrected. All help is appreciated. WE ARE IN A SPORT THAT WORD OF MOUTH, DISCUSSION, AND REPUTATION IS THE PRIMARY MEANS OUR SPORT CONTINUES. HANDS ON EXPERIENCE ALSO GAINS NEW CONVERTS AND GROWTH. I question how each of us find our parts, accoutrements, and the many things (lots of stuff) we have for the multiple levels of our beloved sport. Word of Mouth the fun part.
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Jim Kibler's videos ( there were one or two at the time ) is the reason I bought my first Kibler. Actually, he only made one rifle at the time. He made me believe I could actually do it. Guess that about says it all.
 
I’ve never purchased one of his kits or owned a custom gun made by his hand but I think you have to be pretty new to the game that is muzzleloading or just not understand the technology if you don’t see what Jim Kibler’s company is doing for this sport/hobby/culture.

Every one of the small businesses that offers goods to the consumer in this field is going well against the grain. Every one of them could make more money in some other field. While Jim is a top gun maker in his own right, I’m not sure any builder of historically inspired smokepoles can ever make what they truly deserve based on their talent and the amount of work they do. People just aren’t willing to pay for it. What represents a significant investment for most of us, is a very low wage relative to their work for even the best gun makers out there.

Now, on a production level, the amount of investment he’s made in a product that has a pretty limited market is extremely significant. He doesn’t owe his market any additional thanks. My opinion is to the contrary. Every one of the small businesses that invest in this hobby are keeping it afloat with slim profit margins. Someone with Jim Kibler’s talents could make a fortune in other industries but he’s invested in something he’s passionate about. His kits aren’t for everyone – people who want more challenge can buy Chamber’s excellent products (another man who owes us nothing), and people who are fine with CVA or TC guns won’t care that the Jim Kibler is committed to historically accurate representations. But for those who do care about the best quality parts coupled with historic accuracy, his kits represent an incredible value. What he’s doing on a small scale is what a company like Pedersoli just doesn’t care to do (not ragging on them, I’m thankful for Pedersoli in the grand scheme of things.) But Pedersoli, as an example, has the production capability to do what Jim is doing but they don’t care to make that investment. I hope Jim’s company one day makes ALL the kits and maybe even finished repros of the guns we’d want to see because they would come out right and not just “eh, close enough.”
 
jbwilliams3 said:
I’ve never purchased one of his kits or owned a custom gun made by his hand but I think you have to be pretty new to the game that is muzzleloading or just not understand the technology if you don’t see what Jim Kibler’s company is doing for this sport/hobby/culture.

Every one of the small businesses that offers goods to the consumer in this field is going well against the grain. Every one of them could make more money in some other field. While Jim is a top gun maker in his own right, I’m not sure any builder of historically inspired smokepoles can ever make what they truly deserve based on their talent and the amount of work they do. People just aren’t willing to pay for it. What represents a significant investment for most of us, is a very low wage relative to their work for even the best gun makers out there.

Now, on a production level, the amount of investment he’s made in a product that has a pretty limited market is extremely significant. He doesn’t owe his market any additional thanks. My opinion is to the contrary. Every one of the small businesses that invest in this hobby are keeping it afloat with slim profit margins. Someone with Jim Kibler’s talents could make a fortune in other industries but he’s invested in something he’s passionate about. His kits aren’t for everyone – people who want more challenge can buy Chamber’s excellent products (another man who owes us nothing), and people who are fine with CVA or TC guns won’t care that the Jim Kibler is committed to historically accurate representations. But for those who do care about the best quality parts coupled with historic accuracy, his kits represent an incredible value. What he’s doing on a small scale is what a company like Pedersoli just doesn’t care to do (not ragging on them, I’m thankful for Pedersoli in the grand scheme of things.) But Pedersoli, as an example, has the production capability to do what Jim is doing but they don’t care to make that investment. I hope Jim’s company one day makes ALL the kits and maybe even finished repros of the guns we’d want to see because they would come out right and not just “eh, close enough.”
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Only thing I disagree with is that the CVA and TC guys might care. Could well care, but aren’t at a place to afford a fine rifle like Jim’s yet. Or they might not give a damn… could go either way.
That brother does make one hell of a gorgeous gun though, don’t he? Totally agree with everything else you said.
Thanks Mr Kibler for what you do! Not a “fan boy” but I do appreciate the craftsmanship and quality.
 
I now have 2 SMR's and a Colonial but owning these gas spurred me to purchase lots of other products like cleaning products, acoutrements, powder horns, period clothing, pouches, and even other mass produced muzzleloaders (traditions Crockett). I have even been to the last 4 NMLRA nationals just to shop and fellowship. I would say that instead of taking business away from the industry, owning these rifles has made me spend more money and time than I ever would have. And I am glad! This is a great hobby that needs to continue into the future.
 

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