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The bottom line continues to be this: If you are going to buy something sold as a decoration and convert it to a firearm, or have someone else do that for you, the manufacturer is not going to be liable if you have a problem. It's up to you to decide if you are OK with that.
 
Attached is a report by a trustworthy Laboratory that did the metallurgical study of a Flintlock that was destroyed through poor maintenance I believe it's in India gun but I could be wrong
 

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I just finished reading the report yes it is in India gun and the fact that it was destroyed is not as important as the findings of the Metallurgy which this laboratory States was consistent with American and European manufacturing standards so according to this the metal used in India guns is the same anything to the contrary is just opinion you may not like the looks or the feel of an India gun but it's safe useful and very capable as a modern replica
 
Surfinator58 said:
I just finished reading the report yes it is in India gun and the fact that it was destroyed is not as important as the findings of the Metallurgy which this laboratory States was consistent with American and European manufacturing standards so according to this the metal used in India guns is the same anything to the contrary is just opinion you may not like the looks or the feel of an India gun but it's safe useful and very capable as a modern replica
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The type of steel used in making Indian barrels isn’t the problem; it’s the design … breech, taper, DOM welded seam. You should read about DOM steel gun barrels, not the metallurgy.
 
I'm pretty sure it says they're made from turned round stock nobody uses welded sheet metal formed around a mandrel that was how they did it in the 1800s you need to check your information
 
The information is out there for all to see or to guess and surmise. Plus user anecdotes some of which may even be true. No mysteries anymore. Or lack of opinions.
Buy what you want. Shoot what you want. No one cares. It’s your choice.
 
"DOM is actually not a type of tubing, but a process that is applied to tubing after it is initially constructed. It is Drawn Over a Mandrel...which "cold works" it, giving it more exact dimensions relative to the inside and outside diameters, a smoother finish, and better alignment of the crystal lattice structure. Although it is almost always referred to as a SEAMLESS tube, technically it is NOT seamless tubing, and it started life as some sort of EW (electric welded) tubing. During the manufacturing process, the weld line becomes nearly undetectable, thus it is referred to as SEAMLESS. It is considered a high strength, high quality tube, and is normally constructed from SAE 1020 or 1026 steel."

Source: Stock Car Steel
 
My Charleville Musket from Veterans arms came in yesterday. Very happy with it. Have some questions but will make a new post.
 
I'll add a gratuitous observation. Several posts discuss taking one of these India-made muskets to a gunsmith to have the vent drilled. Were I such a gunsmith I wouldn't consider the task: I'd be taking a non-firearm and making it into a firearm. Ergo, any liability for injury would certainly have my name in bold letters under the line "Defendant".
 

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AND THE BEAT GOES ON! it will never stop!
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If you do t have the ready funds to spend what I spend then you shouldn’t be playing this game.
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I just purchased a dog lock musket from Loyalist. I should get it about March or April. Looking at the photos and looking at an original I see little difference. I will work out the kinks as I’m having it sent in the white.
You get what you pay for. For sure a $700 won’t be as nice as a $3000. And not upset, $700 won’t get you in to a good kit.
No one ever hears of these curry poppers failing that wasn’t on account of the nut behind the trigger.
But if you know that when you lay down the cash what’s to complain about.
I don’t see Perdersoli turning out a more accurate copy of muskets and they are twice the price
 
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If I take the time to learn how to post a picture, I will do so of my Military Heritage replica of my 1795 Springfield. I did drill the flash whole and re finished the stock, as well as antiquing the metal finishes. The gun looks great and is a fine shooter. I will soon be hunting rabbits with shot and possibly wild hogs with round ball. I hold no prejudice as to were it was manufactured.
 
I’ve had the opportunity to look at many Indian made charlevilles from Loyalist arms and Veteran and Military Heritage.

I think loyalists arms contractor in indian uses drilled bar stock, which is perfectly fine. However, some others ive see had seems under the breech and along the side…. Not a good thing.

For one…. I dont’ mess with the barrels, i only look them over, I will not drill a vent hole on one of these.

A few things about how they’re made, there seems to be a lot of people who think they’re made the same way originals were made, this is not true.

Everyone has seen the video of the Indian shop cold lap welding over a sheet of steel into a barrel, and everyone has seen Wallace Gussler lapweld a sheet of wrought iron into a barrel.

Well, the one key variable between these two is the wrought iron, wrought iron lap welds under lower temperatures much easier than mild steel or high carbon steel, because it has almost no carbon in it.

Point being, they’re not made the same way… and further more 18th century barrel makers in Europe did drill barrels from bar stock, and used many other methods too such as the french Ruban and chamise and Spain welded coiled barrels.

North American barrel makers such as the one Wallace Gussler depicted in his film made those barrels over a mandrel because they had no other choices on making them, they didn’t have the equipment to drill, the British laws were against them, and raw materials were very limited.

Lap-welding a sheet steel is not the same as lap welding a sheet of wrought iron, not even close.
 
FlinterNick said:
I’ve had the opportunity to look at many Indian made charlevilles from Loyalist arms and Veteran and Military Heritage.

I think loyalists arms contractor in indian uses drilled bar stock, which is perfectly fine. However, some others ive see had seems under the breech and along the side…. Not a good thing.

For one…. I dont’ mess with the barrels, i only look them over, I will not drill a vent hole on one of these.

A few things about how they’re made, there seems to be a lot of people who think they’re made the same way originals were made, this is not true.

Everyone has seen the video of the Indian shop cold lap welding over a sheet of steel into a barrel, and everyone has seen Wallace Gussler lapweld a sheet of wrought iron into a barrel.

Well, the one key variable between these two is the wrought iron, wrought iron lap welds under lower temperatures much easier than mild steel or high carbon steel, because it has almost no carbon in it.

Point being, they’re not made the same way… and further more 18th century barrel makers in Europe did drill barrels from bar stock, and used many other methods too such as the french Ruban and chamise and Spain welded coiled barrels.

North American barrel makers such as the one Wallace Gussler depicted in his film made those barrels over a mandrel because they had no other choices on making them, they didn’t have the equipment to drill, the British laws were against them, and raw materials were very limited.

Lap-welding a sheet steel is not the same as lap welding a sheet of wrought iron, not even close.
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I am not questioning your statement about examining various muskets, what I will say is this, I have examined the barrel on my musket inside and out very closely and there were no seams or lines or ridges or dents of any kind. The structural integrity of the barrel is sound. I have also pulled the breach plug before shooting it and after shooting it and thoroughly examined it each time and it was very sound. This is my experience with this imported musket.
 
FlinterNick said:
I’ve had the opportunity to look at many Indian made charlevilles from Loyalist arms and Veteran and Military Heritage.

I think loyalists arms contractor in indian uses drilled bar stock, which is perfectly fine. However, some others ive see had seems under the breech and along the side…. Not a good thing.

For one…. I dont’ mess with the barrels, i only look them over, I will not drill a vent hole on one of these.

A few things about how they’re made, there seems to be a lot of people who think they’re made the same way originals were made, this is not true.

Everyone has seen the video of the Indian shop cold lap welding over a sheet of steel into a barrel, and everyone has seen Wallace Gussler lapweld a sheet of wrought iron into a barrel.

Well, the one key variable between these two is the wrought iron, wrought iron lap welds under lower temperatures much easier than mild steel or high carbon steel, because it has almost no carbon in it.

Point being, they’re not made the same way… and further more 18th century barrel makers in Europe did drill barrels from bar stock, and used many other methods too such as the french Ruban and chamise and Spain welded coiled barrels.

North American barrel makers such as the one Wallace Gussler depicted in his film made those barrels over a mandrel because they had no other choices on making them, they didn’t have the equipment to drill, the British laws were against them, and raw materials were very limited.

Lap-welding a sheet steel is not the same as lap welding a sheet of wrought iron, not even close.
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So why do they hold up. These guns were so crappy, that every time you shoot one ….none seem to fail
 

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