Are Swiss and Schuetzen the same powder?

Like the title says, are they the same? They're both made by the same company in the same factory, so are they kinda like a Ford Escort and Mercury Topaz type thing? Same BP, different label? Or is it more a Schuetzen is the Swiss rejected powder deal?

Branden

No, Swiss is a little hotter
Go too made a rougher grade and super fine
Ballistic test seem to show Schutzen on par with Go

They are not made in the same factory. Go to the Schuetzen website and poke around.

Nope and neither is the price !/Ed

Swiss is definitely the premium brand.

Ditto. I get much, much more fouling from Schuetzen 3f than Swiss 3f

Schuetzen is made by WANO/German made.
Swiss is made by Poudrerie D'Aubonne S.A., Switzwerland.
They are both imported into America by Schuetzen Powder Energetics, Inc.

rafterob said:

Schuetzen is made by WANO/German made.
Swiss is made by Poudrerie D'Aubonne S.A., Switzwerland.
They are both imported into America by Schuetzen Powder Energetics, Inc.

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I think that must be where i'm thinking they're made in the same place, the importing company. I have a few pounds of swiss that I got a while ago, but I recently got 10lbs of Schuetzen that I haven't tried yet as I figured they were very similar, if not identical. Old Eynesford is a premium Goex IIRC, so i figured Swiss and Schuetzen were the same situation.

Branden

William Hagewood said:

Ditto. I get much, much more fouling from Schuetzen 3f than Swiss 3f

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Fouling never concerned me because i've always run a spit patch down between shots to wipe a bulk of the fouling out.

Branden

If you shoot minies, fouling most certainly is important. Swiss is a premium grade powder and more energetic with less fouling meaning you use less powder power shot for the same result. Scheutzen is similar to standard Goex, not the best, not the worst.

Swiss is the finest powder I have ever used, almost in a class by itself and it cost like it. I still pay up for it when I can get it though, it's that good IMHO.

gun_painter said:

I think that must be where i'm thinking they're made in the same place, the importing company.

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Hi Brandon, Glad you figured that out.
Schuetzen is Wano, made in Germany.
Swiss is made in Switzerland,, two different places and the powders are very different from each other.
Swiss is very much a "sporting grade", and your right, Old Eynesford is/was a GOEX copy of Swiss.
https://schuetzenpowder.com/about-schuetzen-powder/You didn't go wrong at all with getting your recent lot of Schuetzen,
,but you'll need to re-work your a load development when you begin useing the Schuetzen.
It's not a bad thing, it's just that the 2 powders have different characteristics.

Although all of the answers here about differences between powders from the same Co make sense to me just like painting your car from the same batch of paint. I have to wonder if our ancestors had to re-zero their rifles every time they went to the trading post for more powder? Surely it didn't all come from the same producer.

I would not doubt our ancestors took a couple of practice shots with a new batch of powder to check for performance.

I had read very recently quite a few times guys saying that scheutzen was faster and cleaner than Goex. So I got 10lbs of scheutzen FF! I haven't used it yet though. I hope their evaluations were correct, because I can't afford swiss at the moment

JB Books said:

Surely it didn't all come from the same producer.

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Well it pretty much did, at least until the mid 19th century and into the 20th when production processes improved and markets expanded.
If you really want to learn about Black Powder(s) study the files compiled by Bill Knight, there are specific files about Wano and Swiss and several others.

https://archive.org/details/mad_monk_bp_files/mad monk files complete/CTG/mode/2up

gun_painter said:

Like the title says, are they the same? They're both made by the same company in the same factory, so are they kinda like a Ford Escort and Mercury Topaz type thing? Same BP, different label? Or is it more a Schuetzen is the Swiss rejected powder deal?

Branden

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As a target shooter i can tell u Swiss is more superior my groups tightened up tremendously using Swiss from Shuetzen

Not made in the same place, different powder. It's okay, I find it better than Goex but not much better. It does seem to foul harder. When I burn thru all of the Schuetzen that I have I'll just hold out for Swiss.

gun_painter said:

Like the title says, are they the same? They're both made by the same company in the same factory, so are they kinda like a Ford Escort and Mercury Topaz type thing? Same BP, different label? Or is it more a Schuetzen is the Swiss rejected powder deal?

Branden

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Personally, recently have only tried one pound 3F Schuetzen and while it worked, found it a lot dirtier than Swiss or Goex. If I used it it my rifles for roundball shooting I would have to change my lube or and possibly increase swabbing between shots. Then at longer distances with paperpatched bullets would have to make some sight adjustments, as Schuetzen is much less energetic than Swiss in my limited experience with it. You have to wonder why all the top shooters seem to use Swiss? My personal preference is Swiss unless not available. And I am not saying Schuetzen isn’t accurate, I have just found it ‘different’ than Swiss when I tried it.

I was wondering this myself. Recently I found Schutzen for $23 a pound. The same place offers the Swiss powder for $32 a pound.

I plan on ordering a couple of pounds. Do you guys think the Swiss is good enough that I should spend 10 more dollars a pound?