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Going from wheel weight to pure ML lead. ¿Possible?

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I have always used the " if you can dig into the ingot with your fingernails" then it is soft enough. If you have a barrel with the breach plug removed, you can also push a PRB through it to see if the patch imprints on the ball. If using a conical push it down through the barrel and see how well the lands and groves print on the conical. If the lead is soft enough it should leave prints.

Also if using for hunting or just plinking makes a difference to me. If I'm hunting small game I want a soft lead. If shooting targets only a harder lead is fine as long as it produces the accuracy you desire.

The good thing is you have a nice supply of lead. Melt some down, pour some up and shoot it. If it shoots to your liking you are set for awhile. If you are not happy with the results, sell it or trade with someone who has what you want.
 
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the old hard lead clip ons. No one in their right mind would try to melt the zinc or steel "stick ons''.
Right. I melted them down in a cut off propane tank. The zinc and steel float to the top, and are skimmed off. I was pointing out, wheel weights are no longer a viable long term option.
 
Impure (not 100%) lead with hardeners will cast up larger than pure. Accuracy will change. I know from digging up small bore projectile lead from bullet trap in ROTC and rifle club range for use in muzzle loader in late 60's.. Quit using anything not close to pure since then.
 
I sure wish you lived closer! I would be glad to swap pure lead for WW, Linotype, or Babbit metal. I make RB and boolit

For as much as they're maligned, the USPS is your friend. You can ship up to 70 pounds in a medium flat rate box for less than 20 bucks. And to keep the contents from rattling around the postman's car, six small flat rate boxes nestle very nicely in the medium box.

Also, for lesser amounts, two small flat rate boxes will fit in one flat rate padded mailer.
 
Are all wheel weights the same composition ? If you find some that work for you , well good on you , go for it . I have tried linotype which is 4% tin , 12% antimony and 84% lead , accuracy was fair but not great . The best lead I ever had was from an old hospital xray room ,
 
Here is what I found, because I’m curious as well.

Refining of bullion​

To remove and recover remaining impurities from lead bullion, either pyrometallurgical or electrolytic refining is used; the choice between the two methods is dictated by the amount of bismuth that must be eliminated from the bullion and by the availability and cost of energy.


The Parkes zinc-desilvering process is the most widely used pyrometallurgical method of refining lead bullion. As in smelting, the lead is first melted and again allowed to cool below the freezing point of copper, which crystallizes and, along with any remaining nickel, cobalt, and zinc, is removed by skimming. The lead mix then passes to a reverberatory “softening” furnace, where the temperature is raised and the molten lead is stirred. A blast of air oxidizes any remaining antimony or arsenic, both of which harden lead (hence the term softening furnace), and these are skimmed off to be recovered later.


After softening, the lead goes to desilvering kettles, where small quantities (less than 1 percent by weight) of zinc are added. With stirring, the molten zinc reacts to form compounds with gold and silver, both of which are more soluble in zinc than in lead. The compounds are lighter than the lead, so that, on cooling to below 370 °C (700 °F) but above the melting point of lead, they form a crust that is removed and taken to a parting plant for recovery of the precious metals. The remaining zinc is then removed by reheating the molten lead to 500 °C (1,100 °F) and creating a vacuum over the surface. The zinc vaporizes, and the vapour is condensed as metal on the cool dome of the vacuum vessel, where it is collected for reuse.

The Harris process of softening and dezincing is designed to remove impurities from desilvered lead by stirring a mixture of molten caustic salts at a temperature of 450–500 °C (840–930 °F) into the molten lead. Metallic impurities react with the chemicals and are collected in the form of their oxides or oxysalts.


Lead bullion containing more than 0.1 percent bismuth can be purified by the Betterton-Kroll process, which usually follows softening, desilvering, and dezincing and involves treatment of the melt with calcium and magnesium. Bismuth unites with these metals to form compounds that rise to the surface. The compounds are skimmed off and treated for recovery of bismuth, a valuable by-product.


The Betterton-Kroll process produces a refined lead with bismuth contents of 0.005 to 0.01 percent. When a refined lead of higher purity is required, or when a lead bullion high in bismuth has to be refined, employment is made of electrolytic refining. This process is costly, but it has the major advantage of separating lead from every impurity except tin in one vessel or one stage, and it does so without emitting lead-bearing fumes or gases. The bullion is cast into large plates, which are hung as anodes in electrolytic tanks where they dissolve. Pure lead is deposited on a thin sheet of lead that serves as the cathode. Impurities left behind can be recovered by many complex operations.

Secondary refining​

Secondary lead is lead derived from scrap. Accounting for nearly half of the total output of refined lead, it is a significant factor in the lead market because it is easily melted and refined and rarely becomes contaminated by impurities during service. About 85 percent of secondary lead comes from discarded automobile batteries. The imposition of stringent environmental regulations governing disposal of spent batteries has led to greater recycling efforts that will ensure the growth of this supply.

The recycling of lead from battery scrap involves treating and separating the scrap, reducing and smelting the lead-containing fractions, and refining and alloying the lead bullion into a commercial product. It is usually conducted in reverberatory and blast furnaces at refineries devoted exclusively to handling secondary lead and lead alloys. However, some primary refineries also refine secondary lead; this has led to a growing use of rotary furnaces, which are batch kilns that are rotated during the smelting process.


The bulk of secondary lead alloy recovered from reclaimed batteries and cable sheathing contains small percentages of antimony and other metals. After this antimony-containing secondary lead is refined, it is largely resold to battery manufacturers. Secondary lead containing tin is most often reused in the manufacture of solder, bearing metals, and other lead-tin alloys.


Calcium-lead alloys can also be made from recycled lead. Antimony is removed by oxygen injection, and, after copper and other impurities are removed, the molten lead is cast into blocks, or “pigs,” weighing 50 kilograms (110 pounds) or more. The molten lead may also be pumped into an alloying kettle for production of lead-calcium alloys, with the optional addition of tin or aluminum.


Secondary raw materials are usually processed separately. Sometimes, however, lead residues, sludges, or flue dusts are mixed with oxides from the battery treatment plant and processed together.
better have a good vent-a-hood on hand and a bucket of water to vent that gas into, just sayin. just get some of that lead used for sheathing roof valleys, its the softest ive found, and the purest.
oh i have a lead boat anchor my dad made, what is the possibility he used pure lead? my dad thought of things like lead for plumbing and soldering and he has a load of brass button grommets also. so may have been thinking of reloading or casting.
 
I don’t believe the OP stated what they wanted use the lead for, just that they wanted to get the pure lead separated from the wheel weight material.
if it were me, portable vent-a-hood invention brought along for kicks and giggles, i would take that lead melt it to around 750F then bring it down to 650F and skim the broth off the top . then add the pure lead from roof valley sheathing. it will not only remove alot of the impurity but will also add pure lead further bringing the purity up . it should be about as good as you can get withoug spending tons. but all this is only my opinion.i kick the antbed before melting plastic over it. just that kind of person...
 
I've used wheelweights for low velocity and casual pistol stuff, but it often contains zinc and other things that make trouble with either metal fouling ( ..357's at 1200 fps in my case) , or; insidious bullet warpage and imbalance on long bullets.that take awhile to freeze.solid in tne mould ( 45 bullets over 500 grs. in my case). The safest bet is use them for non-bullet enterprises/trade off, etc. My brother DID use wheelweights for very accurate pistol bullets, but only on stubby bullets.that cooled.fast in the mould and.even then, mixed with lots of tin and linotype metal.
20 miles west and slightly south of dallas tx. this boat anchor(well half of it broke off years ago) is lead but the outer surface feels brittle. what should i use to scrape the lead to figure out how soft it is, or do i cut into it before testing. put the thing into my vise and it crushes , even the 3inch thick parts crush when pressure is applied. suggestions please
 
yeah you at least break off the steel and zinc clips, just takes time.
Yeah,that's the ones. I read that zinc can contaminate your whole batch of melted lead. I can't say I have ever had any experience with this sort of thing. Someone said that molten zinc had an "oatmeal" consistency.
 
When you work as a mechanic, you discover that you often need to tap something with a hammer. Then generally, it will come back and bite you, for using that hammer. I discovered many years ago, that the perfect hammer was one made out of lead, so I made a mold and made lead hammers, Using wheel weights, which I had easy access to. Other people saw them, wanted one, and I bet I made somewhere close to 100 before I retired. My brother, who had bought out an old printing shop, gave me the line-o-type lead, which must be probably 100 pounds. What I soon discovered, it was way too hard to make lead hammers as they would break. I did trade a couple of ingots to a fellow that made cast bullets, for some lead pipe lead. I do make wheel weight lead into round balls, And I think they work just fine. They are about four grains lighter then lead pipe, but they shoot fine. It's hard to believe that they would be harder on rifling than straight copper bullets are in unmentionables. I'm probably too old for it ever to show up anyway.
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When you work as a mechanic, you discover that you often need to tap something with a hammer. Then generally, it will come back and bite you, for using that hammer. I discovered many years ago, that the perfect hammer was one made out of lead, so I made a mold and made lead hammers, Using wheel weights, which I had easy access to. Other people saw them, wanted one, and I bet I made somewhere close to 100 before I retired. My brother, who had bought out an old printing shop, gave me the line-o-type lead, which must be probably 100 pounds. What I soon discovered, it was way too hard to make lead hammers as they would break. I did trade a couple of ingots to a fellow that made cast bullets, for some lead pipe lead. I do make wheel weight lead into round balls, And I think they work just fine. They are about four grains lighter then lead pipe, but they shoot fine. It's hard to believe that they would be harder on rifling than straight copper bullets are in unmentionables. I'm probably too old for it ever to show up anyway.
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best lead hammer say no-mar on the side and is covered in rubber. smiles , jus sayin
 
well we have to use really soft lead in unmentionables just like muzzleloaders do, have to cast up our lead as well, some even load by muzzle, and both you and i use a volume of gases to propel a projectile. and yet they are unmentionables by name. smirks
 
Where can someone get a copy of that??? Please advise..
Dixie Gun Works produce an Annual catalogue , in the back of this most excellent book is a General Information section , which contains all sorts of useful information on chemicals , gauges , bore diameters etc etc . Look up Dixie gun works at PC0171 2022 Dixie Gun Works Catalog and order one they are only $5.00
 
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