Home made snubby advice

Columbus and Frankie missed a great opportunity!! Lol
But I get it. " rules for thee, not for me".

Mike

There are some very snarky folks on here. It's tiresome to have to put up with.

doubleset said:

They also forget that there are distances where a sight will just slow you down when you need that speed the most. For those doubting this, they need only refer to Bill Jordan's legendary No Second Place Winner. Of course, he had sights on his pistols. He just didn't (and didn't recommend) using them in some of the circumstances that he (and others) were likely to encounter. Hard to argue with that -- and that experience -- but I suppose people will.

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Youre trying to equate your opinion of not having a front sight with Bill Jordans advice and imply his agreement with your opinion, its not a valid comparison. He never mentioned not having a sight or them slowing a draw in any of his book or other writing that Ive seen or heard of.

If you’ve never returned fire while being fired upon it’s surprisingly easy to miss your target even while using the sights. Bill Jordan aside, and yes, he was somet of a freak of nature. 99% of mortal humans are better served by slowing down (to the extent you can control this reaction in yourself) and using your sights.
I never heard this phrase until a few years ago but it’s ascribed to the Squid SEALS (How do they get them to balance those balls on their noses?) Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. I believe they’re on to something.

Ok, i cant sit this one out. None of you know me personally, so if you don't believe me, i really dont care. Ive been a serious handgun shooter for 37 years, and have been listening to this false dogma that handguns are only accurate up close the whole time. Handguns are accurate WAY out there, snubbies included. Anyone that says different is only commenting on their own personal ability. I have purposely hit quart oil bottles on the 100 yard berm(130ish yards), repeatedly, in front of our local muzzleloader league with a 2 inch unmentionable, 4 inch u.m., 1911 u.m., 4⅝ u.m., and others. ive shot them a full 200 yards and hit basketball sized targets. My 58 rem spanked a modern unmentionable at 200 yards, no problem. These were not accidents, they were the result of years of serious practice. I have no doubts as to Doubleset's wife's ability. Necchi, if you dont believe it, or don't care to develop these skills, thats fine, its not in everyone's scope of interest. But that doesn't give you the right to be blatantly insulting of someone with more ability than yourself. That's just flat rude and ignorant. A little respect and politeness to our fellow shooters, please.

Driftingrz, thats the nicest snubby Remington ive seen. Xlent job.

jdn262 said:

Hi guys,

I’m thinking of taking an older 1858 remmy and making a snubby out of it. Properly cutting a dovetail or drilling and tapping for a sight is beyond my tools and skill. Has anyone used JB Weld for gluing a front sight on a remmy? Track of the Wolf has a nice selection of front sights. What would be a good height for the front sight.? Any experience or thoughts on making a snubby would be appreciated.

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Yes I have. I bought a Pietta 1858 Sheriff's model and when it came the front sight was laying in the box unattached. Used JB Weld and it has held for about 2 years now.

Brazos John, to get that epoxy off your gun, heat it with a torch or heat gun. Under 200 degrees will be sufficient. Use a hardwood stick sharpened like a chisel and pop it right off. Maybe even use a touch of oil on the scraper. Oh, and do it outside, it can be kinda stinky sometimes

Malamute said:

Youre trying to equate your opinion of not having a front sight with Bill Jordans advice

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No I'm not. That's a misinterpretation of what I said.

Malamute said:

and imply his agreement with your opinion,

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No I'm not. I was providing an example of a skilled -- even revered -- pistol shooter who taught a technique that did not endorse the use of sights in certain fairly clear circumstances. Instead of any sort of "agreement" with my "opinion", that was offered as a counterexample to the view being taken by you and others.

Malamute said:

its not a valid comparison. He never mentioned not having a sight or them slowing a draw in any of his book or other writing that Ive seen or heard of.

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Jordan's technique is well-known and discussed by a number of other shooters and gun writers. If what you got out of all that is that he emphasized or encouraged the use of sights under all circumstances, then you missed a fundamental aspect of his technique.

Pete453 said:

Brazos John, to get that epoxy off your gun, heat it with a torch or heat gun. Under 200 degrees will be sufficient. Use a hardwood stick sharpened like a chisel and pop it right off. Maybe even use a touch of oil on the scraper. Oh, and do it outside, it can be kinda stinky sometimes

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Try not to breathe the fumes. A topic encountered with some regularity in forums in which topics of brass musical instrument repair are discussed is "Why not use epoxy rather than solder?" It's a question usually raised by those who have no experience of soldering and are reluctant to have to learn how to do it. The answer given by the pros and experienced amateurs is that the use of epoxy in such situations should be avoided largely because it results in a repair that is difficult to change or restore at a later date if this is necessary, and that if you're careless and breathe the fumes, that's really not good for you. Also, it imposes a burden and some danger on another repair tech down the line who ends up with the epoxied instrument and has to re-do the repair for one reason or another. I don't feel the use of epoxy on firearms has quite the same consequences and dangers (nor does its very common use in arrow construction for archery), but removing epoxy is always somewhat problematic and should be done with caution.

Pete453 said:

Ok, i cant sit this one out. None of you know me personally, so if you don't believe me, i really dont care. Ive been a serious handgun shooter for 37 years, and have been listening to this false dogma that handguns are only accurate up close the whole time. Handguns are accurate WAY out there, snubbies included. Anyone that says different is only commenting on their own personal ability. I have purposely hit quart oil bottles on the 100 yard berm(130ish yards), repeatedly, in front of our local muzzleloader league with a 2 inch unmentionable, 4 inch u.m., 1911 u.m., 4⅝ u.m., and others. ive shot them a full 200 yards and hit basketball sized targets. My 58 rem spanked a modern unmentionable at 200 yards, no problem. These were not accidents, they were the result of years of serious practice. I have no doubts as to Doubleset's wife's ability. Necchi, if you dont believe it, or don't care to develop these skills, thats fine, its not in everyone's scope of interest. But that doesn't give you the right to be blatantly insulting of someone with more ability than yourself. That's just flat rude and ignorant. A little respect and politeness to our fellow shooters, please.

Driftingrz, thats the nicest snubby Remington ive seen. Xlent job.

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you can shoot tons of ammo for 50 years if you have inaccurate guns you aint hitting nothing at long range

doubleset said:

No I'm not. That's a misinterpretation of what I said.


No I'm not. I was providing an example of a skilled -- even revered -- pistol shooter who taught a technique that did not endorse the use of sights in certain fairly clear circumstances. Instead of any sort of "agreement" with my "opinion", that was offered as a counterexample to the view being taken by you and others.


Jordan's technique is well-known and discussed by a number of other shooters and gun writers. If what you got out of all that is that he emphasized or encouraged the use of sights under all circumstances, then you missed a fundamental aspect of his technique.

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the sites on most if not all BP pistols shoot real high. so at close range I just aim the barrel

SPQR70AD said:

the sites on most if not all BP pistols shoot real high. so at close range I just aim the barrel

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Uberti open top revolvers use a taller sight and between that, (vtiguns.com sells the for 10 bucks or so) a bit of brass stock can be fashioned into a custom front sight, and taking a bit off the hammer nose the open top revolvers are easily regulated.

necchi said:

Yeah. Because a "sight", with that window, at any viewing length,, is useless for any imaginable application at that range outside of hollywood where bullets "bend" trajectory.
I have no doubt she holds the gun and looks across the barrel through the sights,,
, but that's only in relation to the hold,, she put's that round where it needs to be when the trigger is pulled.
Saddens me you don't get it.
In all of my shooting experience, I can attest that I personally know only 3 intuitive shooters,, each are friends and are not public celebrity.
And I've shot with and/or observed 1,000's

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doubleset said:

Just to be clear ... this woman was not exactly a beginner. She learned to shoot in the physical education program when an undergraduate at Northwestern University, and has continued to shoot throughout her life: rifle, shotgun, and handgun. She's not much of a handgun lover, but does love her AR-15 and O/U 20 ga. Now, I could be mistaken about this, I suppose, but I've watched her shoot over a period of 50 years now and would not say that she's any kind of "instinctive" shooter. In fact, I've been trying over the past few years to introduce her to more instinctive handgun shooting, and she's just not having it. But hey, I could be all wrong about this and someone who's never seen her could surely know better, right? Yeah.

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Bad Karma said:

Uberti open top revolvers use a taller sight and between that, (vtiguns.com sells the for 10 bucks or so) a bit of brass stock can be fashioned into a custom front sight, and taking a bit off the hammer nose the open top revolvers are easily regulated.

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aim for the belt buckle lol

SPQR70AD said:

you can shoot tons of ammo for 50 years if you have inaccurate guns you aint hitting nothing at long range

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Most handguns are just fine, even finicky ones have a load or two that will shoot. If not, theyre easily fixed, fix em. Theyre simple machines, if in decent working order, with ammo they like, theyll shoot well enough. Like i said, put in the time and EFFORT. Im not geing cocky, im confident in my ability. Its not that hard.

as Bad Karma said, its easy to sight in the open tops. There's no good reason to put up with a gun that doesnt shoot to the sights, its a waste of perfectly good ammo. Then, when you miss, you know it's you and not the gun, which is usually the case. That makes it easier to improve

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Well, if he's been watching her shoot for 50yrs, while she's been tagging target at 50yrds with a snuby,,
I'm kind of wondering why he's frustrated that she won't take instruction from him how to shoot instinctively.

Some people are independent thinkers.

necchi said:

I'm kind of wondering why he's frustrated that she won't take instruction from him how to shoot instinctively.

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Never said I was frustrated. Just said she wasn't having any of it. Some people are independent thinkers and like to stick with what works well for them.

doubleset said:

Some people are independent thinkers.

Never said I was frustrated. Just said she wasn't having any of it. Some people are independent thinkers and like to stick with what works well for them.

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And in her calculations, instinctive shooting has no, or little, value… that’s ok.

I’ve been an avid shooter for nearly 70 years. I do well enough with rifle and pistols. I suppose I might hit moving targets at 50 yards with the shortest pistol in the collection. (depending upon the size of the target) But when I practice, which is several times a week, I practice a method which enables me to hit reliably, consistently and quickly. It involves the use of the sights 99% of the time.

There are scenarios when a person might shoot from the hip, weapon retention drills, etc. etc. and if you find yourself in bad neighborhoods regularly or close quarters in dangerous places, you’ll be well advised to practice for those scenarios. I’m pushing 76 years pretty hard and the most dangerous people I run across are either Doctors or other old Vets down at the VA. Most of them were very dangerous at one time, now the most dangerous thing we do is try to top the others war stories… the first one don’t stand a chance. Most of the guys on this board seem to be in the same boat. Not likely to ever use a firearm in anger and thank God for that. Instinctive shooting is a neet trick to play with once in a while but for most of us, hitting the mark is the entire goal of shooting.

With respect to handguns, I'm pretty much in the tradition of Quigley Down Under's "Never said I didn't know how to use it" , but without anything near that level of skill. I'm definitely a marginal pistolero at best.