Original or Fake ?

Our Raedwald 's Very cluey he certainly knows his onions . I meant to reply to Dr Paul but the E gajet wouldn't let me but Angie & Pukka sorted it out for me ,Comes from not having a 6 year old to help you with them .That & being computer dense. I got into the RA study collection year before last to examine the remaining Prince Eugenes rifle Regt rifles some still bright unissued as I have a similar piece from that circa 1799 . 1,012 order. A Pre Baker in effect. They also have a replica Lawrences pattern E I Coy musket but I didn't ask to see it as I've seen it many times before. (I'me its daddy) Now I see your into cannon ' Noise are us !' I own non but fired a few. My Father was 4th RHA for 6 plus years, Must have left a bit in my genes . I know Ohio quite well Greenville , Mad River, & Marietta. Any way this is gossip probably better PM ed ,only I couldn't get that either yesterday .
Regards and Thanks to all concerned . Rudyard

have you shot it yet? I agree it Shure looks like a good serviceable pistol?

fossilledges said:

That is the truth Bramm, I had never really thought about the connection with the time period coinciding. And of course it continues in the modern age. Used car dealers here in the states generally have the same negative stereotype for swindling people. Thank you! --Dr.Paul

Click to expand...

You know Doc, I have bought a lot of vehicles through the years, both new and old, and sure, those dealers all made a bit, but I have to tell you, I never ran into real swindlers until I had medical issues. Those people could teach the subject anywhere. All of those car dealers told me right upfront what their price would be. No such info from any hospital or doctor. The car dealers may have had a 30-40% margin, the hospitals and pharmacists likely at 3-4000%. And I could go on but no need. My point simply to watch which profession you choose to smear.

You Sir are correct, the stereotypes for all facets of healthcare are genuinely tragic.

Flint62Smoothie said:

I had that same experience with an auction house when they went to sell the alleged Hannah Dustin musket ... when the arm offered was not only ~80 years too late in design, but the original was in the hands of descendants of Ms. Dustin.

All documented by a local historical society ... and the auction house didn't care ...sold the fake for thousands!

Click to expand...

Flint625smoothie, Sad that the auction house failed to do what is right. Did you happen to get good pics of the original in your quest. I have old grainy pics of it, then it went missing from public view lots of years ago. Would like to find good pics of it.

ArtyGunner said:

My problem with it would be given the level of patina, is the lack of corrosion stains around the pins and screws.

Click to expand...

Spotter your moniker ..... only "32 cal?" My father was a BSM AIG in AckAck during the war --- the smallest calibre he used was right at the start, when he was given a Truck, 5 men, 5 rifles and 5 rounds per rifle --- to defend a 5 mile stretch of the Essex coastline (Thames Estuary) at the height of the invasion scare !
He ended up instructing on 3", 3.7", 4.5" and 5.25" -- somewhat bigger guns. He went away to Territorial Army Camp in June 1939 and wasn't let out until 1946 -- kept back as an instructor trying to rehabilitate ex-PoW Officers. He was offerred a commission, but realised that the POST War Army would be much like the PRE-War one -- and that a boy brought up in the East End of London just might not fit in with the ex Public School members of the Officers' Mess ;-)
He met my mother on a gunsite - she outranked him as she was a CSM when he was a Gun Sergeant -- and she always claimed that my twin brother and I were part of a dastardly plot because she had to leave the service just before she was eligible for the TA Long Service medal.
He never really did like me having guns -- I bought my first (a 54-bore screw-barrel percussion pocket pistol) at 12, and things have gone downhill from there. My smallest ML is a 200bore Adams M1851 (about .23") and my biggest is a cased 16bore Tranter revolving rifle.

Keep the flag flying EVERYWHERE (Ubique ! )

QUOTE ... "What collector or museum would deface the gun by adding a permanant, modern stamp on the butt cap ?"

Look at one from my own collection --- a 38bore (.50cal) M1856 Beaumont-Adams --- one of the 500 in that bore (and another 500 in 54bore - .45cal) bought for the 1856 Cavalry Trials. I acquired it from the "ROTUNDA" -- the Musuem of Artillery in London (Google it?) when they were moving. Must have been whacked on with a Club hammer!
Of course in those days it was probably just thought of as "Some old gun in the collection".

Well I worked at Glenbow most all the guns had been dremeled with ' MI 453' ect by a former Armourer who used to work there . So Rotunda are not the only ones guilty . Glenbow had some Russian guns marked Nicholass Chabelsky Var France the mark of a Russian collector who got out of post 1917 Turmoil Russia . Some pieces are in the Smithsonian or Metropoliton Museum . Not sure . I used to write to Leonid Tarrasuck . But he was killed I gather ( traffic accident ? ) . I have some artillery link my father was a territorial 1936 then went through WW2 . Forth Royal Horse Artillery to the end . I've fired an old 9 pounder often in Nelson NZ and a Saker one time at Fort Paull Nr Hull No one seemed to be keen & Ide learned all about cannon doing F&I French Marine Artillery in the Detachment Chamble at Fort Niagara & doing the honour guard salute stuff at the turning round of the 'Constitution. Just a muzzle loader on steroids how hard could it be !. Noise are us ! .
Regards Rudyard