Percussion V Flintlock?

Sunbeam said:

I am bowing out of this conversation now as I have no idea what you lot are talking about ??

I don't know if you are making racist or demeaning comments or what ????

I'm out and not following this conversation any longer, so don't bother replying to me directly in this thread.

Thanks for the info thus far.

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You need to take that ridiculous racism accusation out of here. It's demeaning to those who've actually suffered the real thing.

Rat said:

The Limeys must still be suffering PTSD from the battle of New Orleans, judging from such an unreasonable fear of a rifled muzzle loader. Just a thought.

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So it's OK to call me a 'Limey', and somehow that's not racist towards me or my fellow UK countrymen?

Sunbeam said:

I am bowing out of this conversation now as I have no idea what you lot are talking about ??

I don't know if you are making racist or demeaning comments or what ????

I'm out and not following this conversation any longer, so don't bother replying to me directly in this thread.

Thanks for the info thus far.

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Sunbeam said:

So it's OK to call me a 'Limey', and somehow that's not racist towards me or my fellow UK countrymen?

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Sunbeam, Rat meant it tongue in cheek....like the Brits that often refer to Americans as yanks.
He was referring to some of Britain's unsavoury history and then getting it's arse spanked.
I'm the one that took your post off course for which I apologise.
It's just that Mr TFoley thinks he is my personal law enforcer and enjoys filling the blanks in where upon his input is neither wanted or remotely useful!

Glad to be of help, Mr Britsmoothy. Especially when explaining to our US and other non-UK brethren that here in UK shotguns and rifles are two different categories of firearms that each have their own form of ownership authorisation and limitations on their use in the field.

However, I fail to see where I upset you this time. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to PM me to save publicly airing your dislike by making snide asides.

Sunbeam said:

So it's OK to call me a 'Limey', and somehow that's not racist towards me or my fellow UK countrymen?

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Sunbeam
Just ignore the remark some people do not think that everybody has too learn from scratch . I have been called names by some but now it is water of a ducks back
Feltwad

Here in UK people get called Jock, Paddy, Taff, Geordie, Scowser and, as far as I know, a few other things...are they offended? Not that I know of, and I live here.

Americans often call British people Limeys. British people often call North American people Yanks, or even Canucks - are THEY offended?

Well, not unless the American being addressed came from any of the the former Confederate states, or Texas.

Sunbeam, you should hear what the Americans call each OTHER, let alone us furriners.

'Racist'? Gimme a break.

Well I'm racist against percussion locks. I like the flintlocks better and I have no good reason for it. Look at that. I managed to say RACIST and stay on topic at the same time!!! Do I get a prize? Is it still racist to think that taxes are too high?

TFoley said:

Here in UK people get called Jock, Paddy, Taff, Geordie, Scowser and, as far as I know, a few other things...are they offended? Not that I know of, and I live here.

Americans often call British people Limeys. British people often call North American people Yanks, or even Canucks - are THEY offended?

Well, not unless the American being addressed came from any of the the former Confederate states, or Texas.

Sunbeam, you should hear what the Americans call each OTHER, let alone us furriners.

'Racist'? Gimme a break.

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"It is a misfortune for Anglo-American friendship that the two countries are supposed to have a common language'. Bertrand Russell

LD

Sunbeam said:

Hi,

I have a percussion ML .45 pistol and can shoot that perfectly fine. I am going to be looking to buy a muzzle loading rifle very soon and was thinking flintlock.

I have been advise flintlocks are frustrating and I'll soon get fead up with it as they are not reliable and I should get used to percussion first.

I believe I am used to my percussion pistol and have never had a misfire or dry ball with it. I'm also told that knapping the flint is VERY hard and I'll struggle to do it as is hardening the frizzen if needed.

If ffffg is used sparingly in the pan, the frizzed is kept hard and the flint is kept sharp, is flintlock still a faff? .............

Maybe get both !!

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Check this hunting video in Arizona with a flintlock rifle. This guy tries 3 times to fire his "rock smasher" and gets 3 "flash in the pans". Each time he reprimes using a pick in the vent first but only gets a flash, then he says to the camera that he has been having problems at the range with it!! Geez, then why take it hunting Homer? Maybe your vent is too dang small, after all it is Arizona & it can't be moisture in your priming pal.
I was getting frustrated just watching this adventure, but eventually the pig dies of old age and everybody goes home happy.

Here's the link:
Javelina hunt with a flintlock in Arizona 2010 PART 1

Not sure if I would call this hunting, seems more like shooting at sheep grazing in a field.Then watch them taking a nap, and resuming the hunt. O My, quite challenging that.

Mr TFoley...as a Texan I will tell you that you absolutely nailed your assessment of being called a Yank!

Well done, sir!

Sunbeam,My late grandma used to say "Sticks & stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me"..AND I'm a Brummy !!
Been making,mending, & shooting flinters longer than most in UK. If I can be of any help pm me any time. Lots of helpful Flint shooters in the MLAGB (rifle & smooth bore) and plenty of friendly competition nation wide from small local clubs to National events including our own 25.50 &100m range near Warwick..(for the other side of the pond that's says "WORIK"
OLD DOG
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From my experience owning and shooting both flintlock & percussion rifles mostly all custom rifles I will take a flintlock every time!! I have had 2 small issues with flintlock rifles not going off every time or not as fast as I would prefer, traced both locks back to soggy feeling springs that had been lightened for some reason. Once I replaced those mainsprings they were good to go. I have had more issues with percussions not going off every time but that could be my fault I guess, it’s super annoying to me when you have to remove the nipple put some 4f or null B in there to get the gun to go off. My vote is for a flinter every time and twice on Sunday! On a side note I have never owned a cheaper production flintlock just fyi

Miss fires with cap guns should not happen nor with flint.It may be called good management
Shot gun nipples Small hole under the hammer, large hole into the powder. Rifles large hole under the hammer Small hole into the powder.Simple!! Don't know if you can get Fioci caps in your bit of the forest.Small brass ones. I'm told they are corroaive but they don't fail on my artillery
OLD DOG..

Sunbeam said:

I am bowing out of this conversation now as I have no idea what you lot are talking about ??

I don't know if you are making racist or demeaning comments or what ????

I'm out and not following this conversation any longer, so don't bother replying to me directly in this thread.

Thanks for the info thus far.

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Mate, you think being called a limey is racist???

How about if i call you a pom because I'm Australian, Is that racist?

racism
/ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/

noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

So looking at the dictionary..... Nope not racist. Its like someone calling me an Aussie, a new zealander a Kiwi, an englishman a pom and an american a yank.

Chill out and move on.

GREENSWLDE said:

Miss fires with cap guns should not happen nor with flint.It may be called good management
Shot gun nipples Small hole under the hammer, large hole into the powder. Rifles large hole under the hammer Small hole into the powder.Simple!! Don't know if you can get Fioci caps in your bit of the forest.Small brass ones. I'm told they are corroaive but they don't fail on my artillery
OLD DOG..

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Greenslade
I remember those brass firochi caps no 11 they took a good strong mainspring to get them to go and they were a very hot .I do remember one unhappy result with them ,a friend who was with me had a early Pedersoli sxs percussion which had a weak main spring on the left hand lock which did not fire the cap ,returning the hammer to half cock he remove the cap but the cap compound was imbedded on the nipple top and what he did gave us both a big shock to remove it from the nipple using his finger nail and off the gun went some thing I had never seen before or after
Feltwad

It's not what you think that matters if the person you directed the comment to thinks it was offensive. Leave it alone.

My ancestors brought the Saxon to Anglo-Saxon and were likely on both sides as Normans joined the party but I'm not chummy enough with guests or recent members here to jokingly insult them and then ramp it up if it offends them. Stop it. Your Grandpa may have fought side-by-side with them and earned the right to josh, but you haven't (I presume).

Lets get back to talking about the superiority of flintlocks.

I just have horrible luck with flintlocks LOL I still can’t get m custom flintlock to work right and haven’t even fired it yet. All of m percussion guns, revolvers, rifle muskets, single shot pistols, are trouble free and very reliable.

It seems some think it’s impossible to have a good time with caplocks. I just don’t agree.

Smokey Plainsman said:

I just have horrible luck with flintlocks LOL I still can’t get m custom flintlock to work right and haven’t even fired it yet. All of m percussion guns, revolvers, rifle muskets, single shot pistols, are trouble free and very reliable.
It seems some think it’s impossible to have a good time with caplocks. I just don’t agree.

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For my type of shooting the percussion cap suits me the best although I still like my flintlocks, when on pest control over crops which may involve a hundred shot in one outing the percussion cap is the best but I am not racist too the flint lock which also get a outing .
So what I am saying is if you prefer the flint lock to the percussion cap that is OK but not lets us forget that we all are muzzle loaders and shoot black powder which we enjoy
Feltwad
A Stand of Flintlocks

Dribble. Proper muzzle loaders, them. I only ever dipped my toe into flintlocks the one time, back in 1993, when I somehow lucked into a real Lancaster County long rifle made by Peter Gonter. It came with a lovely powder flask that was very simple yet elegant - probably contemporary from the style in which the initials I C S had been incised, but with no provenance.

Both were stolen at a show-and-tell gunshow a few years later, and sadly, I had only gotten to shoot it about half a dozen times. I've got mixed feelings about it since - rather like the man watching his mother-in-law driving over a cliff in his new Ferrari -

a. I can only hope that the new owner either shoots it a lot.

OR

b. He screwed up and it exploded.