Hoppe's labeling change ???

AlanG said:

Do you use it to clean your guns or just as a patch lube?

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Or just cologne??? Always loved the smell of that stuff! Little splash behind the ears and you'll attract the kinda folks you have something in common with and want to talk too....

SDSmlf said:

Ok, we have the definitive evidence it has never changed.
I have not actually cleaned a gun or used the clear or newer formulation as a patch lube, although I have heard some comment is wasn’t the same as the older creamer or milky stuff. Just because the newer clear formula doesn’t feel, smell or look like the old formula, plus the label change, doesn’t mean anything. It may still work the same. Now I have not personally tasted both versions, but assume they must taste and perform the same because of the label change doesn’t mean anything evedence.

Question for the peanut gallery. Has anyone actually tested both versions (creamy/milky vs clear) head to head as a either a cleaner or patch lube? Can’t do it here as the only stuff I have, which works great as both a cleaner and patch lube, is the older creamy/milky stuff. Don’t really care what the label says, how do both actually perform?
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As per above I have used it since age 10. In the white squeeze bottles then I believe. I also recall the product in the white bottles was known to come in a lotion like consistency and/or a more liquid state....45 years ago!. Both smelled and worked the same. I use only as a patch lube as the bucket and soapy water cannot be beat for ease and results in cleaning.

Now that said I STILL have a bottle of the white plastic product. I also have the new product which I have used many times, enough to have bought several bottles and THEY ALSO HAVE COME IN A LOTION CONSISTENCY AND/OR MORE LIQUID STATE.

So we have different opinions, different results etc. If you cannot stand it any more I suggest you get and use the Dutch system as it will make your groups smaller. Down fall is you will need to swipe between shots. With Hoppes (+ 1-2 inch large group) you will never have to swipe between shots as the patch lube does it for you. This can possibly dampen powder or dry out in a hunting situation? I was ignorant of that fact for the first approx 30 years using Hoppes alone and it did not stop me from harvesting meat, ever.

I use Dutchs system for accuracy and to compete (with myself or buddies only) and I use mink oil to hunt. For a day at the range (woods in my case) it has been my opinion/experience one will be HARD PRESSED to find a better product than Hoppes.

SDSmlf said:

What I have seen, the newer appears totally different than older (clear vs milky). Current SDS lists three item numbers, which I believe just indicates container size - and they still call it ‘Black Powder Bore Cleaner & Patch Lubricant’. The item numbers have not changed over years that I can tell. My main use for it lately has been when shooting corrosive stuff in some non muzzleloading applications.

Like many producers of consumer products, the manufactures of Hoppe’s change formulas without saying much, many times not updating the SDS because it is ‘just a modification or improvement’ to the original, avoiding the complete redo of the SDS. Look at Pyrodox and 777 if you want to research another example. On SDS may look the nearly the same, but in reality, many differences.
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Interesting that it contains kerosene, a petroleum product.

So shot both lubes today from two TC 32 Cherokees could tell no difference between the two. Both shot dead accurate at 30 yards using either lube so I decided to alternate guns on this target and alternate lubes also with no wiping between shots. The first 11 shots were right on then a flyer on number twelve, then a few more dead on. then 17, 18 and 19 all jumped high and number 20 in center. Both guns started drifting after that so I wiped both and they came right back to center. Took them home and cleaned the sixteen ounce older bottle cleaned the first with 4 patches the newer stuff took six to get to the same point. I shot over 50 rounds through each today and except for the trial shots not wiping could not differentiate between the two with either gun.

Well after several hundred rounds over three days my only conclusion is that they both work about the same as lube and cleaner but Hoppes consistency from batch to batch is questionable. The ten older 8 ounce bottles are very thick as someone mentioned earlier nearly like hand lotion and the newer stuff that I just ordered is much thinner but still works really well as does the older 16 ounce bottle. But what a great excuse to shoot for three days all in the name of research.