Guessing its a replica but not sure

Farthest back I get is 70s.

This one looks just like yours.

https://www.ewbankauctions.co.uk/20...ype=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year=

bang said:

Farthest back I get is 70s.

This one looks just like yours.

https://www.ewbankauctions.co.uk/20170824P-lot-1026-Replica-of-a-2nd-Model-Cavalry-Miguelet-pistol-marked-R-Cuerpo-de-Guards-de-la-persona-del-Reya€-numbered-3o-2A-No-6-2-on-barrel?arr=0&auction_id=366&box_filter=0&category=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=1&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year=

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looking at the pictures ours seems more decorative than the one on here the number is pretty much the same although I don’t have the 3 at the beginning but I’m guessing it probably means it’s a replica

More than likely. But if the barrel goes all the way to the flash port and there is no hole in bottom of barrel along the stock. It is highly possible it is a reproduction. Difference is a replica is a non firing show piece. A reproduction is shootable. Replicas typically don't have completely bored barrel and the hole under at stock is, imo, a deterrent should someone try boring it out as a vent. Look close to determine if the is evidence that its been fired. From your pix of frizzin it looks clean. Check bore to see if it is. Complete. Taking it to a gun smith would not be bad idea.

bang said:

More than likely. But if the barrel goes all the way to the flash port and there is no hole in bottom of barrel along the stock. It is highly possible it is a reproduction. Difference is a replica is a non firing show piece. A reproduction is shootable. Replicas typically don't have completely bored barrel and the hole under at stock is, imo, a deterrent should someone try boring it out as a vent. Look close to determine if the is evidence that its been fired. From your pix of frizzin it looks clean. Check bore to see if it is. Complete. Taking it to a gun smith would not be bad idea.

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Thank you!

Lee1980 said:

Thank you!

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My scientific method of measuring the length of the barrel with a straw

I'm just thinking along the lines of how I think, when I see an old gun "can I fire it???"

Stantheman86 said:

I'm just thinking along the lines of how I think, when I see an old gun "can I fire it???"

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haha I wouldn’t even know where to start on that in the UK can’t just walk in and buy ammo and gunpowder.....

Google "Turrero" pistols. They were "replica" handguns made in Spain about 60+ years ago, They are not meant to be fired. They turn up every now an again on auctions sites and their owners believe them to be antiques because they have been in the family so long. I have one as well, and think it would probably blow up if someone loaded it with black powder since the breech plug is only pressed into the breech. Mine is marked" R' Cuerpo de Guarde, de la Persona del Rey" on top of the barrel along with a very real looking Spanish crest. I suspect these were made for the tourist trade in the 1950s. Outwardly they do look authentic, but once you take them apart you will see they are only non-firing replicas.

Hi,
If you look at the photos showing the top of the frizzen, you can see a casting seam.

dave

Lee, try checking the frizzen with a magnet. It should attract unless it's some type of alloy casting.

curator said:

Google "Turrero" pistols. They were "replica" handguns made in Spain about 60+ years ago, They are not meant to be fired. They turn up every now an again on auctions sites and their owners believe them to be antiques because they have been in the family so long. I have one as well, and think it would probably blow up if someone loaded it with black powder since the breech plug is only pressed into the breech. Mine is marked" R' Cuerpo de Guarde, de la Persona del Rey" on top of the barrel along with a very real looking Spanish crest. I suspect these were made for the tourist trade in the 1950s. Outwardly they do look authentic, but once you take them apart you will see they are only non-firing replicas.

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Nailed it. The cast frizzen was the giveaway, and if you look in post #5 image you can clearly see the white wood where the dye has been chipped away. In any case, I've seen brand-new pistols in the box whose woodwork was in worse shape that the overall appearance of that pistol. No dents/dings/scrapes?

Hi. Curator is correct. The pistol in question is a tourist item made for display only. Not only the lock, but you will likely find the barrel is also a casting, with the lettering on top of the barrel being part of the casting. These were made for the Spanish tourist market during the 1950's and 60's, and possibly into the 70's. They look fairly authentic from a distance at first glance. Made much better than the later day tourist items. Do NOT attempt to fire it. The pistol posted here was one of a couple different designs the Company made. And, as Curator mentions, they do show up at auctions every once in a while. Here are some pics of another variation. Notice the locks are identical.
Rick

It's a reproduction. Maybe 1950s. It's not a bad one but the barrel stamping is intentionally stamped light for the two marks near the barrel tang. The one under the crown is the typical Spanish maker mark and I have never seen one not stamped deep. A good rule of thumb with antique vs repro, look at the screws. The one on the barrel is iffy but the ones on the lock are obvious machine-made screws. These did not come into use until the 1840s and the style is wrong for this pistol. Also the side lock screws are all wrong. The early machine screws have a flat face. The bevel on these is obviously modern (20th century). The side plate is the wrong shape. It was solely used on reproduction pieces. Some early Spanish arms are similar but seldom in brass and flush to the stock without the bevel on the edges. The bevel is an easy giveaway that the arm is not antique. The stamped king's guard info on the top of the barrel should all be engraved. The number/letter wierdness on the side of the barrel is purely modern. Nothing similar in antiques. It's really interesting that they used a fancier lock than the original. I don't think I have ever seen an original firearm with a barrel band pinned like this. If it were real it would have a spring out the side. Early reproduction and a nice one. Honestly, Spanish miquelet's do not have a lot of value. I would think your replica would be worth as much as an antique as an unusual, well-made repro.

A link to what it should look like. http://www.catalogacionarmas.com/public/royalHousehold17.pdf