CVA Woodsman Screw in Breech Plug?

I just bought a CVA Woodsman off of Armslist, and I thought it would have a capped breech, but when I took it apart, I saw this (see photo attached). I asked the guy I got it from if it screws out, and he had no idea. I can't much information at all about this rifle either. I don't want to start wrenching on it if it doesn't move. If it does screw out, what's the best way to go about it? It might be a bit seized up if the previous owner never unscrewed it.

NoYes
Why do you want to remove it? If for cleaning it is not necessary. The powder drum and nipple are drilled and tapped then screwed in after the breech plug is installed. Then the barrel has a drill run down till it drills into the drum hole. Not meant to come apart.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/cva-drum-and-nipple.113228/
Read what i asked before and see the answers and advice i got.
DL

Ditto on DL's comments. The way I understand the CVA and Traditions breechplug assemblies are not meant to be removed. It seems removing them can be done but putting the drum and breechplug back together in their proper place is near impossible.

From CVA,

WARNING: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD ATTEMPTS BE MADE TO REMOVE THE BOLSTER OR BREECH PLUG. THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PATENTED SYSTEM WHICH CAN ONLY BE REMOVED OR INSTALLED BY QUALIFIED FACTORY PERSONNEL. ANY FORM OF TAMPERING WILL VOID ALL WARRANTIES

Here the CVA sidelock manual.
https://cva.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Side-lock.pdf

NoYes
I have a 45 cal barrel I intend to use for a Flintlock. It is missing the powder drum. Now what I have planned is to make a new Flintlock vent liner. The thread is 10X1.25, I got several bolts that size. I will line up my hole in barrel with a long drill. Cut off flush with barrel side and start with a .054 dia flash hole. If this doesn't work I will install a 1/4X28 vent liner from TOTW into this 10X1.25 homemade liner. But mine will go all the way thru the breech plug like it was intended to do from factory. Is it totally necessary, maybe not but it will look better and hopefully function better.
DL

NoYesIdunnoMaybe said:

I just bought a CVA Woodsman off of Armslist, and I thought it would have a capped breech, but when I took it apart, I saw this (see photo attached). I asked the guy I got it from if it screws out, and he had no idea. I can't much information at all about this rifle either. I don't want to start wrenching on it if it doesn't move. If it does screw out, what's the best way to go about it? It might be a bit seized up if the previous owner never unscrewed it.

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Don't screw the little screw out. Just forget about it and treat your rifle like the muzzleloader that it is.
As such, you load and clean thru the muzzle. The breech plug and that little screw are not meant to be removed.

Carbon 6 said:

From CVA,

WARNING: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD ATTEMPTS BE MADE TO REMOVE THE BOLSTER OR BREECH PLUG. THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PATENTED SYSTEM WHICH CAN ONLY BE REMOVED OR INSTALLED BY QUALIFIED FACTORY PERSONNEL. ANY FORM OF TAMPERING WILL VOID ALL WARRANTIES

Here the CVA sidelock manual.
https://cva.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Side-lock.pdf

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In the gunsmithing section of Track of the Wolf, they say a CVA breechplug removal must be done at the factory and I doubt they do this anymore.

Well this is all great information.
I knew it wasn't necessary to remove it to clean it, but I thought it might be a feature to make cleaning easier, like an in line.
I will not try to remove it.

On a different note, does anyone know if the new CVA octagon barrels have the same scope mount placement? I'm looking to get a peep sight, and I've measured about 7/8" center to center on the rear base holes and the top of the barrel measures about 3/8" wide.

NoYes
Forget inlines. They are non mentionables here. I have not put a scope on my TC Hawken but if i did it would be a retro type full length scope like used on a Sharps rifle. They are expensive and you can get several magnification powers. Malcom scopes come to mind. I know i know Zonie... just stating for clarity!!!

Desperate Lee said:

NoYes
Forget inlines. They are non mentionables here.

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I hope you're not entirely serious. I'm new to this forum, but it's called, "The Muzzleloading Forum" not "The Traditional Only Muzzleloading Forum"
In-Lines are the majority of the market and are bringing more and more people to the field because they are easier to use and can be more accurate. This type of exclusionary attitude is not what I've experienced from any other muzzleloader hunter I've ever met.

NoYes
That is correct and i did not say i was against them. I hunt with my Traditions 50 cal inline,also my TC Hawken 50 cal and i agree with you on a lot of people start that way, but i believe this forum is geared toward tradional BP like sidelock percussion, flintlock, under hammer and such. Some one correct me here if i am wrong. See forum rules #1 and #7. Now i humbly bow out of this conversation.
DL

Yes, this forum is for people who are interested in the old "Traditional", side lock, mule ear and underhammer guns and reenacting times before 1865.

I suggest that people read the Forum Rules when they join us. Here is a link to them:

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/forum-rules.108881/

Starting at the top of the forum rules we have:

1: The focus of this site is "Traditional Muzzleloading"; The history of muzzleloading weapons and battles, up to and including the American Civil War. (From the inception of firearms through 1865)

Then, we have rule 7 which says,
7: We do not discuss modern (in-line) muzzleloading firearms.
Early historic breech loading guns that do not use primed metallic or semi-metallic cartridges and meet the requirements of rule #1 are permitted for discussion.
See special rules at the bottom for posts about breech loading firearms.

Then we have,
9: We do not discuss copper and/or jacketed, plastic/polymer tipped bullets, sabots, power belts, or other 'plastic-wrapped' bullets. Smoothbores using plastic wads and steel shot are an exception to this rule.

If the new type of muzzle loading guns is all a person is interested in I suggest they will find the place at,

https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/

That is a forum for modern muzzleloaders. It's owner also owns this site.