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Ramrod for a model 1816 Springfield

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I'm in need of a ramrod for my original1816 Springfield (dated 1825) conversion musket. I see a number of different m1816 ramrods available from Lodgwood, S&S, Dixie, Log Cabin shop, Track of the Wolf and others. I don't expect to find an original ramrod, but a quality repro will serve my needs. Who has the best one? Thanks.
 
I'm happy with the one I got from Lodgewood.

Diameter of the rod is key, you don't want it flopping around in the channel or too tight. My Lodgewood rod is the right length and diameter for my Pedersoli 1816 but the Lodgewood rod states "fits Original and repro muskets"

It is in my opinion the best option if you're actually going to use it. You can find originals out there too.
 
Thanks, I'll send him an email.
Stantheman86 said:
I'm happy with the one I got from Lodgewood.

Diameter of the rod is key, you don't want it flopping around in the channel or too tight. My Lodgewood rod is the right length and diameter for my Pedersoli 1816 but the Lodgewood rod states "fits Original and repro muskets"

It is in my opinion the best option if you're actually going to use it. You can find originals out there too.
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What size threads does the Longwood ramrod have? Thanks.
 
It appears to be threaded to accept original attachments, I have an original
69 Worm that I need to clean up but it begins to thread on to the rod until the dirt in the worm threads stop it.

I clean my Pedersoli 1816 with a Treso brass range rod and a .69 jag so I was not really concerned with the thread pitch but it's authentically threaded for period accessories which is good.
 
Stantheman86 said:
It appears to be threaded to accept original attachments, I have an original
69 Worm that I need to clean up but it begins to thread on to the rod until the dirt in the worm threads stop it.

I clean my Pedersoli 1816 with a Treso brass range rod and a .69 jag so I was not really concerned with the thread pitch but it's authentically threaded for period accessories which is good.
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Thanks, that's what I was hoping to hear.
 
At the Richmond gun show today I had the opportunity to mic an original M1816 ramrod. To my surprise it had a straight taper. Just below the button head it measured about .253". It then tapered down to about .200" at the threaded end. This would be quite costly to reproduce. From what I can tell, the currently available repro ramrods are all straight and of various diameters.
 
The 1816 repro ramrod arrived from Lodgwood today. The taper and overrall fit is really good. It is 42" long but protrudes maybe 7/16" beyond the muzzle. So most likely after 190 years, the ramrod channel has accumulated some dirt and crud that needs to be cleaned out. I'll do that this weekend. I'll also age the new ramrod to allow it to blend with the musket.
 
Some of the original guns that were made to use a metal ramrod, had screw threads down in the bottom of the ramrod hole.

I don't know about a 1816 but the use of threaded ramrod holes was used on many of the Rifled Muskets of the 1850-1865 time period.
 
Zonie said:
Some of the original guns that were made to use a metal ramrod, had screw threads down in the bottom of the ramrod hole.

I don't know about a 1816 but the use of threaded ramrod holes was used on many of the Rifled Muskets of the 1850-1865 time period.
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Good point. I agree, some thread in. But I dont know about this one. The ramod makes and dull thud at the bottom, not a metallic clink. So I'm thinking it's just full of crud. But I'll find out.
 
I had replaced my 1816 button rammer with a trumpeted 1835 rammer, it fits better into the forestock and loads much better. I had sold the button rammer,
 
Steve Blancard said:
Thanks, I'll send him an email.


What size threads does the Longwood ramrod have? Thanks.
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For a smaller diameter rod, I would just bend the rammer spoon down more for additional friction. Something else you can do is rivet a smaller rammer spoon into the front barrel band, French 1777 muskets and An XI guns were made with this type of rammer system.
 
FlinterNick said:
For a smaller diameter rod, I would just bend the rammer spoon down more for additional friction. Something else you can do is rivet a smaller rammer spoon into the front barrel band, French 1777 muskets and An XI guns were made with this type of rammer system.
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No need, the Lodgeood rammer fits quite well. Im quite pleased with it.
 
Artificer said:
Steve,

Are the threads on the ramrod metric or standard American Unified Coarse or Fine? (I'm thinking it may be metric, but I'm not sure.) Also, what size are the threads - just for reference sake?

Gus
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Here is the finished product. Got the ramrod channel cleaned out and patina'd the Lodgwood ramrod to blend it. I think it came out well. The threads are .219" x 26 TPI (I think). My thread gauge has 24 and 27 TPI gauges, it falls between them. An original .69 cal. Worm threads on perfectly.
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I have this same rod in my repro Pedersoli 1816 and I'd like it to fit just a little tighter, I may try to add a second retaining spoon.
 

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