• This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks you get.



    Sign up here: https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/account/upgrades
  • Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight.

    We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.

    Use this link to sign up please; https://membership.nra.org/recruiters/join/XR045103

The Case for the Lowly Bore Brush

Muzzleloading Forum

Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Carbon 6- I think it's self evident from the post's succession which products were being discussed.
Perhaps I shouldn't respond since all of your posts seem declarative and ignore previous posts that would foster discussion etc.

Not really sure what you mean by brushes causing problems. I've read just about every post on this board (yes it took a while!) from what I gather any brush "problems" stem from some having them get stuck in the bore. Understand that, though it is more about technique than an inherent problem, and was addressed in my very first post by using an undersized brush, which eliminates the possibility and still provides plenty of scrubbing action.

I guess the economic point you make would be completely individual choice and understandable, though at 2.99 average price, completely reusable- a brush should last at least a year, I'm not sure it's a major problem for most.

Disagree with your "keeping it simple" comment. were talking about 45 seconds to a minute at most time-wise, and it is no different than using a jag, and is less fussy than say affixing tow to a worm (I love using tow though). Introducing a brush when the barrel is thought to be say 80% clean to help pull out that last bit of fouling which wouldn't show up otherwise seems to have some merit.

Anyway- it seems clear that I shouldn't have titled the post as i did, since I wasn't interested in starting a "cleaning" post, nor suggesting a better way or that my "way" was superior. it was intended to be a post about my taking advantage of doing a lot of shooting and taking an advantage of revisiting things I haven't done, or stopped without clearly remembering why- and being curious if others have done similar.

Similarly, many switched to almost exclusively using 3F, me included, but that was 40 years ago, and I didn't own a chronograph back then, I've also adopted different patch lubes since. Revisiting it has given that choice a new light. I've also taken this opportunity to take one gun and clean it exclusively with 3-1 Ballistol for the season, instead of my usual water clean up, interesting results so far, and I'm leaning that it is more effective than water, wouldn't have thought that just a year ago. hence my no Dogma comment in the start of this thread.

Perhaps it's a bad post introducing unintended/unwanted contentiousness and should be deleted- I guess it's best to defer to Zonies (or whomever) judgement in this regard.
 
Perhaps it's a bad post introducing unintended/unwanted contentiousness and should be deleted- I guess it's best to defer to Zonies (or whomever) judgement in this regard.

Now I agree with you!
I was starting to figure that you were looking for an argument or to put forth your own version of dogma.

I'm not interested in either and will leave you now.

Happy shooting.
 
Sheesh- there is not a single thing on any of my posts that would suggest I was looking for an argument?

I guess I'm a bit of a naive old man to think these sort of Forums are for people that share a common interest and have questions or want to share ideas that might foster reasoned discussion vs. attempts of the agent provocateur sort. Not really sure what or why someone would post on a thread when it appears they have not even read the initial post, and subsequent posts of there's ignore any questions about their post? They certainly don't add to the Forum or further the discussion in any way. I responded to every comment seriously, and with respect no matter how outrageous. What would be the point in starting a thread otherwise?

Anyway- just yesterday I received shipment of a much anticipated new .40 and am going to spend the next few days shooting the bejeezus out of it!
 
Advice against using bore brushes came from using the brushes that only had the wire part crimped in the threaded part. The twisted wire could be pulled or twisted out. They weren't meant to be pulled only pushed in an open breech type of rifle or shotgun. Using the type of brush that has the wire looped through the threaded part is OK as long as it isn't oversized. The brush could still be jammed if it is too big. Also the aluminum threads might be pulled out or broken off. Aluminum or brass threads have no place around a rifle. A little common sense goes a long way.
When I was a working man, we had a safety program called "Take Two". It meant to take 2 minutes before starting a job to look for hazards and figure out a safe way to do things. I still do that.
 
Last edited:
Well at one time I was told a brush would polish down your rifling. Well water carved the Grand Canyon so I guess it’s true, I guess enough swabs of baby soft cloth would wear down the hardest steel. Tow can-be a little scratchy too. I don’t suspect a copper or nylon brush would wear a guns rifling out in my life time, so I’m not afraid to use one.
I think most of us came to this sport via a desire to do some individual thing and not be like every one else. Sometimes we find something someone else uses and it works for us some times not.
Have fun with your new gun my friend, and again thanks for sharing your experience.
 
That advice was about using the stainless steel type brushes in the bore. Hard to see how brass or plastic would do much.
 
Sheesh- there is not a single thing on any of my posts that would suggest I was looking for an argument?
The title says it all,
"The Case for the Lowly Bore Brush"
It makes your position and intentions quite clear.
The word
"Case" poses an argument.
The word
"Lowly" notes the common disdain for them.

I would also ague that my opinion is just as valid as yours , only I'm not going to start a topic just so I can argue it.
You may use a brush (many do) and that is just fine, but, countless newbies have fallen victim to broken or stuck brushes in the bore and they NEED TO BE WARNED before they proceed. If you can agree with that, we have nothing to argue about.
 
Man I hate pedantic. "Case" and "lowly" have many meanings, and it certainly doesn't mean "argument" here. The title is of course intentionally tinged with a bit of ironic humor.

Again- there simply isn't anything in this thread that points to "start a topic so I can argue it" - where? I even mentioned that it might best be removed- not the actions of someone seeking an argument. I think you may be taking things personally, which is never my intention- either in life or on this board.

"countless newbies have fallen victim to broken or stuck brushes in the bore and they NEED TO BE WARNED before they proceed"

Okay- but that is the first time you ever mentioned this on this thread- why now if it's that important to you? No mention of a stuck brush till now- it can't be discussed if you haven't mentioned it. It's of course a legitimate comment- one I covered in the post both at the top of this page, and in the very first post on page one pretty clearly. Using an undersized brush with cleaner/lube as stated, poses no danger of getting stuck.

Really wish I could be done with this- but I don't want to leave any lingering negativity either. Dang- if you were here I'd suggest we go out shooting my new .40 caliber together and maybe even a beer if you were inclined!
 
Tow can-be a little scratchy too.

I really like using tow to clean- but I've never found a satisfactory tow worm below .50 caliber. I have one of those spring ones that wrap around the ramrod for my .58- works great. I do have a small diameter worm, I think from the old Golden Age Arms- but its more like a flattened corkscrew and it usually pierces the tow instead of pushing it.

I do get a sense that nothing cleans around the touch-hole of a flinter better than tow.
 
Carbon 6:

I think you misinterpreted Alan's topic title.
To me it just indicates the topic is going to offer some reasons the brush should not be considered to be rated as being "Lowly" when in fact, for him, it seemed to do some things other methods of cleaning don't do.

As for your comment about newbies being misled and ending up with their brush stuck in their guns bore, rather than argueing with him I think it would have been far better for you to have said,

"For those who don't know, many of the bore brushes on the market may become stuck in the bore because the bristles bend upward towards the muzzle when they are shoved down the bore. In this bent condition, when you try to pull the brush up out of the bore, the ends of the brush will grab the bore and keep it from moving upward.
If they do become stuck, twist the ramrod or cleaning rod in a clockwise direction while applying a slight pressure to the rod that would pull the brush out of the bore.
This will cause the bristles to bend to the left and allow them to bend downward towards the breech. Once this is done, the brush should pull out of the barrel without hanging up. Usually, it takes a lot of force to twist the rod and brush but you can tell your making progress when the brush seems to "slip" or rotate in the direction your trying to twist it.

Beware: There are brushes on the market that attach the heavy bent wire that the bristles are wrapped into by only bending the end of the center wire and hooking it into the threaded end. Never use one of these brushes in a muzzleloader because that poor attachment with the threaded end will just pull out when you try to pull the brush back out of the bore. The good kind of brushes have a full loop of the center wire going thru a hole in the threaded end. You'll need to study the brush to clearly notice this construction but doing it and buying only the brushes with the positively attached center wire style will pay off.

Another good idea if you want to use a brush is to buy one for the next smaller caliber than the bore in your gun. For instance, buy a brush for a .38 for your .45 or a .45 caliber brush for your .50 caliber barrel.
To get one of these smaller brushes to do the brushing, bend the brush in the center so it has a noticeable bend to it. This bend will allow the brush to scrub the larger bores but it will also prevent the brush from being able to "lock up" in the bore because of the bent bristle thing I mentioned at the beginning of this post."

There. See? It adds some explanation, some ideas and it might be helpful for anyone who hasn't (or have) had the bad experience of having their brush lock up in the bore. :)
 
Last edited:
Dang- if you were here I'd suggest we go out shooting my new .40 caliber together and maybe even a beer if you were inclined!

Sounds good to me!

We are both trying to help in our own way, I guess.
I've tried undersized brushes. Found them to be useless. Granted, everyone has a different gun and cleans differently. One man's cure-all is another's bane, important to remember that there are few standard answers when it comes to muzzleloading.
It's a "do your own thing" sport.
 
One use I’ve found for a bore brush is using a smaller diameter one to retrieve a lost cleaning patch.
Me too!
I cut the end off and untwisted the main wire, reforming it into a patch worm.
I've also retrieved patches with a ball puller. :D
 
I've used various fixes for getting lost patches and even used a breech face brush to retrieve a lost patch. Also blew one patch out with some of that canned air for cleaning keyboards, etc.
I tried bore mops, but after they get wet they don't put enough pressure on the barrel walls for me. A bore brush with a patch seems to work better for me. Mops might be OK for a smoothbore.
 
Back
Top