Used TC Hawken.

Kansas Jake · Jul 22, 2019

On the other hand if one is careful at auctions bargains can be found. The important thing is to know your stuff and know when to fold ‘em as the saying goes. One high price at an auction as noted doesn’t mean that is the general market price.

SDSmlf · Jul 22, 2019

Eric Krewson said:
There is a guy offering a TC hawken kit on GunBroker for $700, I saw another for $500, they must have become collectors items while I wasn't looking. I had a similar kit a short time ago, I researched the going price so as to compensate the owner fairly, the $300 I paid him was more than generous from what I found.

The kit prices I find a bit curious. The only way it could make ‘sense’ is to relive putting one together back in the day. Otherwise, it has to be collector item as an unassembled kit, which I would imagine is a very small group of collectors..... Put that high dollar kit together and finish it well, then you will have a $250 to $350 gun, depending how and where you sell it. And quite often, one of the features of a higher doller gun is that it’s ‘not a kit gun’....

Or are Eric and I missing something?

OldRust · Jul 22, 2019

Kansas Jake said:
On the other hand if one is careful at auctions bargains can be found. The important thing is to know your stuff and know when to fold ‘em as the saying goes. One high price at an auction as noted doesn’t mean that is the general market price.

I agree completely about auction prices. I have seen them all over the place but usually higher than the norm. In PA it seems that a TC Hawken in flint will average $100 more than a caplock in the same condition. The additional value is due to PA's January flintlock only deer season I believe. Thanks

sussexmuzllodr · Jul 22, 2019

OldRust said:
I agree completely about auction prices. I have seen them all over the place but usually higher than the norm. In PA it seems that a TC Hawken in flint will average $100 more than a caplock in the same condition. The additional value is due to PA's January flintlock only deer season I believe. Thanks

I have the Hawken 50 in wood and the new englander 50 in Rianite Stock.
Took care of them and they have served for years.
Will be passed on when I pass on.
They are just T/C,s nothing more or less

SM

waarp8nt · Jul 22, 2019

Zonie said:
To a lot of people at an auction, it's a matter of, "winning" or "loosing".
With the idea that, "no one is going to beat me", they keep on bidding and bidding, usually jacking the price up a lot higher than the item is worth.

IMO, they didn't, "win". They just lost a lot of money just trying to beat someone else.

I have always went into bidding at live auctions knowing what I was willing to pay for an item and seldom waiver from that price. I quick story with a one time exception to that rule (for me anyway);

There was an old fellow at an auction notorious for buying what he bid on no matter the final price. I bid on a fishing lure and he started bidding, I ran the lure up to $45 dollars just to see what was going to happen...I didn't win it and was a little worried about being stuck with it...had I bid any more. I struck up a conversation with the fellow, come to find out he was a self made man who made his "fortune" buying and selling used farm equipment. We instantly became friends and had several meals together over the years, went shooting and even done a little trading, unfortunately he passed from medical complications last year. I still feel kind of bad for bidding him up, but the reality was he earned his money and was going to buy what suited him, price didn't matter.

SDSmlf said:
The kit prices I find a bit curious. The only way it could make ‘sense’ is to relive putting one together back in the day. Otherwise, it has to be collector item as an unassembled kit, which I would imagine is a very small group of collectors..... Put that high dollar kit together and finish it well, then you will have a $250 to $350 gun, depending how and where you sell it. And quite often, one of the features of a higher doller gun is that it’s ‘not a kit gun’....

Or are Eric and I missing something?

I think your right about some people buying the T/C kits as a collector items. In reality don't most people who buy a kit lose money? I would think that to be true more often than not irregardless the source of the kit. My guess is there are few people who build guns and actually make money at it, most just build for the love it. I think the T/C kits are a little better quality than most imports and even if the T/C kit sells high, there are still only 1/2 the price of most custom American made kits. Something to think about or to put it another way...I would rather loose 1/2 of $500 than 1/2 of a $1000. Just some thoughts...as I hang up the phone from ordering my first Pecatonica Kit.

Eric Krewson · Jul 23, 2019

I gave up on estate auctions after spending all day several times waiting to bid on some farm equipment and a few old worn out guns. The bidding quickly went past new prices for all the items, even the worn out guns. People at auctions are crazy.

Eric Krewson · Jul 23, 2019

More on my kit; It was in my dad's closet when he went to assisted living, a very early prewarning kit. The sear spring had rusted out completely and fused to the spring holder. I had to have it milled out as there was no way to remove it. The rest of the gun was it good shape except for some surface rust on the barrel. Like I said, this was a very early kit and not a bolt together and shoot like later kits, I actually had to use some of my gun building skills to get it together, nothing fit the inlets, it was pretty rough.

vintovka · Jul 23, 2019

Eric Krewson said:
More on my kit; It was in my dad's closet when he went to assisted living, a very early prewarning kit. The sear spring had rusted out completely and fused to the spring holder. I had to have it milled out as there was no way to remove it. The rest of the gun was it good shape except for some surface rust on the barrel. Like I said, this was a very early kit and not a bolt together and shoot like later kits, I actually had to use some of my gun building skills to get it together, nothing fit the inlets, it was pretty rough. View attachment 12568

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vintovka · Jul 23, 2019

Just a reminder that the locks on many of the TCs need to be carefully inspected BEFORE you pay premium prices. Now that the "lifetime warranties" have long passed away some of the internals are somewhat hard to find and priced accordingly. I ordered a whole lock off Fleabay for a guy and found the same issues as the defective one (and more). Damaged tumbler, fly and sear plus hammer had crack where thumbpiece met body. even the plate was scored thru case. FWIW we sent lock back and he sold the Hawken at auction as a parts gun and got $300 plus.

shane a gress · Jul 25, 2019

I stopped at a sporting goods store today to get my hunting license and found this sitting on the shelf.
It is used, Wow!

Tom Compton · Jul 25, 2019

There’s a TC Hawken on this site right now. Has a GM barrel too. $300.

bubba.50 · Jul 25, 2019

shane a gress said:
View attachment 12713
I stopped at a sporting goods store today to get my hunting license and found this sitting on the shelf.
It is used, Wow!

Unless they get more realistic on that price or find one of P.T. Barnum’s customers you can go back next year & the only difference will be a thicker coat of dust on it.

Poboy · Jul 25, 2019

n (even though loosely made to look Pre 98), requires FFL paperwork by Illinois law.[/QUOTE]

RU KIDDING? All BP weapons NOT considered "firearms" by Federal law.

SDSmlf · Jul 25, 2019

Last TC I saw locally was around the first of the year. Wore a similar toe tag as the one in the picture. Identified as an ‘Italian made muzzleloader’. Asking price was $175. Apparently the Italians were making the last of the TC sidelocks after a factory fire...... Couldn’t tell if the bore was just dusty, or possibly rusty and pitted. Received permission to drop the ramrod down barrel. Oops. Either loaded or something else in the barrel. Off to the back room. Rifle was there on consignment, so no chance for a real deal, plus I didn’t have a bore light with me. And I am not currently overly interested in 15/16 barreled TCs and didn’t pursue making a deal.

waarp8nt · Jul 25, 2019

(even though loosely made to look Pre 98), requires FFL paperwork by Illinois law.

Poboy said:
RU KIDDING? All BP weapons NOT considered "firearms" by Federal law.

Nope, Feds don't care and will tell you they don't care. However, the state of Illinois is a little more hard nosed about it. Doesn't make a lick of since to me and only proves the ignorance of those making the laws in Illinois. I can go into any gun shop and buy a pre-98 Rolling Block or Mauser with a substantially higher rate of fire, much faster reload time and possibly a longer effective range and walk home with it the same day because its an antique. Yet, I cannot buy a CVA Mountain Rifle, T/C Hawken or a completed custom made rifle and go home the same day with it, because they are considered firearms in Illinois. To further complicate matters the state of Illinois cannot tell us what part of the muzzleloader is the action, on a T/C we can assume the barrel is the action because it is has a serial number. However, on custom guns we cannot assume anything as neither the lock or barrel have a serial number. It seems really idiotic to make a fellow wait on a muzzleloader purchase, crazier yet to hold the sale information for 10 years, but I do it because its the law of Illinois.

I'm seriously looking to relocate someplace West of the Mississippi when I retire. I can retire early in 7 years, but the money is substantially better in 12. The easy decision is to leave Illinois...

azmntman · Jul 25, 2019

Come out here, our shade works!

vintovka · Jul 25, 2019

shane a gress said:
View attachment 12713
I stopped at a sporting goods store today to get my hunting license and found this sitting on the shelf.
It is used, Wow!

Run away Far away

Poboy · Jul 26, 2019

Well, I'm going to sleep so much safer tonight, knowing that the state of Idotnoise has decided that protecting us from those crime thugs favorite gun of choice is being squelched, the dreaded muzzleloader.

The AK 66:1 twist. Dadgumn Damnocric states.

Eric Krewson · Jul 26, 2019

Lots of folk come from up north to retire in N Alabama, great hunting and fishing, a slow pace lifestyle, little crime, VERY affordable house prices compared to other places. We have a 3 buck limit but a doe a day limit on deer as well as 100K acre plus of mostly vacant public hunting land close by, lots of hogs and deer.

OldRust · Jul 26, 2019

shane a gress said:
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I stopped at a sporting goods store today to get my hunting license and found this sitting on the shelf.
It is used, Wow!

Wow is right ! Maybe it has sentimental valve to that vendor. Did you ever have something that you put a
" I Really Don't Want To Sell This " price on. Thanks

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