I just saw in a paper on line that Pennsylvania is considering all gun registration. Does anyone have any insight into this? Will it include blackpowder people?
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If we are going by what we find on the web, I found this:
The web is a neat place and it has a lot of good information but it also has a lot of stuff that is totally wrong.
Some people get a kick out of creating "news" they know is wrong. I don't know why. I guess it's just a part of the, "Look at ME." syndrome or the, "Boy! I sure fooled those idiots !!" syndrome.
To see what Pennsylvania has to say about gun registry follow this link to their official site.
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdoc...pe=HTM&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=61&sctn=11&subsctn=4
The web is a neat place and it has a lot of good information but it also has a lot of stuff that is totally wrong.
Some people get a kick out of creating "news" they know is wrong. I don't know why. I guess it's just a part of the, "Look at ME." syndrome or the, "Boy! I sure fooled those idiots !!" syndrome.
To see what Pennsylvania has to say about gun registry follow this link to their official site.
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdoc...pe=HTM&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=61&sctn=11&subsctn=4
Zonie, that is also my understanding re PA law. Unfortunately, it doesn't stop the State Police from maintaining a registry of all licensed handgun sales.
Richard/Grumpa
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I didn't mean to rattle so many cages, what I had read on it was either from the NRA, the CCRKBA or our local liberal Montana paper, the Billings Gazette.I am aware of the federal laws banning states from doing too many radical things, but one more change in the legislators in Washington Could make such a thing possible. You folks that live there, live among some pretty tough state regulations on gun ownership.New York might be 1800 miles from where I live, but there is danger from the high population areas over us that have nothing but land.
Squint
Hi Zonie when I said I had read it online, that is the way I get my daily papers. I'm far enough remote from where the papers are published, that we don't have any paper service here. I get the New York Times, Billings Gazette, and the Great Falls Tribune all by email subscriptions. Thank God for the Internet in my case, it might be the thing that destroyed the newspaper business but at least I do have access to news. I feel sorry for those that get their news off twitter, Facebook, and whatever else is out there bouncing around.
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Artie Peltier
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That type of “registration Law” must be spreading across the country. I live in Rhode Island and their attempting to pass a new law that all dealers will provide the State police with a monthly report on all firearms sold! In its form right now it will require all the firearm data but not the purchasers name. At least for now. Either way it’s a bad bill. Art
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The way the NICS system is set up where a call goes to the state police when a purchase is made IMO is registration. We don't know what the SP are doing with that info but Id bet there are records being kept by their department. You're not going to convince me otherwise.
Sometimes grossly unconstitutional laws are passed simply because the legislators are not paying attention. In Arkansas, it has long been custom to support any bill the author says is "not controversial". They do this because they know they will need similar support on future bills they want passed. In 1990 a bill went through the House and passed 99-1 that would have prohibited the use of ammunition with projectiles containing "any metallic substance". This would have even applied to law enforcement. I was a lobbyist supporting 2nd Amendment issues at the time and got a call from my State Senator advising me this bill was going into Senate Committee. I took my old iron mule from my home to Little Rock and went to the Capitol and lobbies mightily warning that passing this bill could end their political careers. It was buried in committee to never become law. Folks, we gotta pay attention and get involved. Get complacent and we could lose it all.
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--We need to keep a list of all politicians who introduce unconstitutional manure like this and shout their sins from the rooftops. And how about the police lobbying Congress at the state level? Separation of powers? Perhaps a form of intimidation? I believe our chains are being forged.
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The big city libtard legislators introduce the same ilk every legislative session. Some do not care if it would be unconstitutional or not. They don't expect it to ever get out of committee and it will die when the session ends. Often introduced just to make some local political machine person happy. Our Philadelphia state legislators are often fairly ignorant of history and the constitution. I remember when an unpopular foreign official was being spoken against on the house floor in PA and the politician made the reference to hanging the king if effigy from the Liberty tree. Many black legislators walked out raising concerns that the speech was about lynching black. Of course they spoke in public about the racial remarks of the politician, making even bigger arses of them selves. But in Philly the black constituents loved them for their combined stupidity. A local TV station engineer told me they get complaints from Black viewers everytime the Ox Bow Incident is shown on TV because the movie description says it is about a lynching. (I do not remember any black actors in the whole movie) Urban area law makers regardless of race tend to be uneducated and ignorant when it comes to gun control and a few other issues. I remember a NY Senator who introduced a congressional bill to outlaw any gun with a bayonet lug as an assault weapon. Or the New Jersey bill to outlaw any firearm, muzzle loader or not, if 50 caliber or over. Including the Brown Bess.
Let's keep the discussion directed towards gun laws and muzzleloaders please.
If members want to talk about non muzzleloading political issues they should pay to be a MLF Supporter so they can have access to the Political area of the forum.
If members want to talk about non muzzleloading political issues they should pay to be a MLF Supporter so they can have access to the Political area of the forum.
Yeah that's the problem here too. Censorship.
If the proposed laws include muzzleloading guns or cap & ball pistols then feel free to discuss them here. Just make sure the discussions are about this kind of guns without getting into the modern cartridge gun area. For instance a total ban on clips holding more than 10 rounds would not apply to the guns the forum is about. Neither are bump stocks, laser sights and Picatinny rails.
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OMG, "Clips"??? Shirley, you jest!!!
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Well, it's only a matter of time before the anti's come after muzzleloaders too. The first thing they will likely try will be to make buying and/or shipping black powder and black powder substitutes more difficult and expensive than it is now. Then they will move on to banning sale and possession of the lead we use for bullet casting, all in the name of "protecting the environment", dontcha know!
When you see proposed laws that do any of the things you mentioned, let us know about it.
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One reason I stocked up on lead is because I foresee a day when the lead ban bandwagon shows up in PA.
GunnyGene
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All I have to say on the matter - given the Mods position on this kind of discussion - is that I feel blessed to live in MS. 
The only rules specific to ML & BP here are those pertaining to hunting.
Quote from MDWFP: https://www.mdwfp.com/law-enforcement/hunting-rules-regs/
"Primitive firearms" for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double barreled muzzle-loading rifles of at least .38 caliber; single shot, breech loading, cartridge rifles (.35 caliber or larger) and replicas, reproductions or reintroductions of those type rifles; and single or double-barreled muzzle-loading, shotguns with single ball or slug. All muzzle-loading Primitive Firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with either percussion caps or #209 shotgun primers or flintlock ignition. Breech loading single shot rifles must have exposed hammers and use metallic cartridges. Cartridges may be loaded either with black powder or modern smokeless powder. Scopes of any magnification are allowed on primitive weapons.”
The only rules specific to ML & BP here are those pertaining to hunting.
Quote from MDWFP: https://www.mdwfp.com/law-enforcement/hunting-rules-regs/
"Primitive firearms" for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double barreled muzzle-loading rifles of at least .38 caliber; single shot, breech loading, cartridge rifles (.35 caliber or larger) and replicas, reproductions or reintroductions of those type rifles; and single or double-barreled muzzle-loading, shotguns with single ball or slug. All muzzle-loading Primitive Firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with either percussion caps or #209 shotgun primers or flintlock ignition. Breech loading single shot rifles must have exposed hammers and use metallic cartridges. Cartridges may be loaded either with black powder or modern smokeless powder. Scopes of any magnification are allowed on primitive weapons.”
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Our local scrap yard here in Va. has always been a good source of lead for me, plus, the auto mechanic I've gone to for 30 years now keeps me supplied with wheel weights. I just have to sort out the lead ones from the non-lead with a pair of wire cutters.
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