Any ever seen a Greenberg Musket ?

Very rare, but the Greenwood muskets produced out of Cinncinatti were converted late pattern 1816 and 1835 and 1840 flintlocks, Greenwood experimented with rifled barrels with progressive depth rifling, many failed tests but some made their way through the ranks. These muskets were known to capable of using both rifled shot and round ball shot or buck and ball shot. I had never seen these muskets recovered on the battlefield only read about them.

Thinking of a project, doing an 1816 or 1835 with a rifled .68 barrel in flintlock with a drum vent conversion.

https://collegehillarsenal.com/greenwood-altered-us-m-1816-type-iii-musket

I can't say I have not seen one, as I've viewed a lot of converted .69 cal. muskets over the years, but I rarely looked to see who made them.

Now if you want a really good shooting .69 cal. rifle, that is not too long for the best offhand shooting, ever consider a Whitney Plymouth Navy Rifle? I almost bought an original in the mid 80's between marriages, I was so enamored with them. S&S carries some parts for them as well. http://www.ssfirearms.com/products.asp?cat=156

Gus

Yes they are good shooters I have one.
500 gr wadcutter will shoot cloverleaf groups at 50 yards.

wweedman said:

Yes they are good shooters I have one.
500 gr wadcutter will shoot cloverleaf groups at 50 yards.

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Great Info! Thank you. I always thought they would be really good shooters with the shorter than musket length barrels and of a really good size diameter. (I don't care for full length musket barrels for offhand shooting as the wind really catches them and you have to fight them to keep them centered on target.) I had an extremely good friend who offered to take me on hunts at different times in South Africa, Rhodesia (as it was known then) and that area. Though not quite a 4 Bore rifle, I figured it would have been plenty of rifle for any African Game I was interested in shooting. I just could never get leave when he had muzzle loading hunts organized over the years.

OK, going back on topic, of the Greenwood Muskets, etc.

FlinterNick,

As you probably know, barrels on U.S. Flint Muskets were a bit thin in diameter to convert for rifling until the M1840, which was made in mind to eventually be converted to a rifle and thus had a slightly larger diameter barrel. However, I have no idea where you can get a copy of a M1840 barrel.

OK, here is where I have to say I've seen problems with guys using original Flint Muskets converted to percussion by the Drum method. I don't think I would go to the expense of building a repro musket that way unless you really want to make a copy of a Greenwood musket. The muskets converted by placing a nipple on top the breech work well, but I have to say that conversion concerns me a bit unless you use lighter target loads.

Have you thought about a M1842 musket converted to rifling? Lodgewood has a couple of original barrels and parts.
Barrels:
http://www.lodgewood.com/Barrels_c_260-2.html
Parts:
http://www.lodgewood.com/M1842-SpringfieldHarpers-Ferry_c_27.html

S&S has parts as well:
http://www.ssfirearms.com/products.asp?cat=82

OK, also have to say I'm a HUGE fan of original Locks, because the parts are so much better in them than in most repro's. Original replacement parts are also not too difficult to find.

However, if you want an already made .69 Cal. M1842 Musket, Taylors has the Armi Sport models.
https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/184...9-42-white-finish-walnut-stock-model-126.html

Now, feel perfectly free to disregard most of the above information, if you really want to copy a Greenwood musket.
Gus

Artificer said:

Great Info! Thank you. I always thought they would be really good shooters with the shorter than musket length barrels and of a really good size diameter. (I don't care for full length musket barrels for offhand shooting as the wind really catches them and you have to fight them to keep them centered on target.) I had an extremely good friend who offered to take me on hunts at different times in South Africa, Rhodesia (as it was known then) and that area. Though not quite a 4 Bore rifle, I figured it would have been plenty of rifle for any African Game I was interested in shooting. I just could never get leave when he had muzzle loading hunts organized over the years.

OK, going back on topic, of the Greenwood Muskets, etc.

FlinterNick,

As you probably know, barrels on U.S. Flint Muskets were a bit thin in diameter to convert for rifling until the M1840, which was made in mind to eventually be converted to a rifle and thus had a slightly larger diameter barrel. However, I have no idea where you can get a copy of a M1840 barrel.

OK, here is where I have to say I've seen problems with guys using original Flint Muskets converted to percussion by the Drum method. I don't think I would go to the expense of building a repro musket that way unless you really want to make a copy of a Greenwood musket. The muskets converted by placing a nipple on top the breech work well, but I have to say that conversion concerns me a bit unless you use lighter target loads.

Have you thought about a M1842 musket converted to rifling? Lodgewood has a couple of original barrels and parts.
Barrels:
http://www.lodgewood.com/Barrels_c_260-2.html
Parts:
http://www.lodgewood.com/M1842-SpringfieldHarpers-Ferry_c_27.html

S&S has parts as well:
http://www.ssfirearms.com/products.asp?cat=82

OK, also have to say I'm a HUGE fan of original Locks, because the parts are so much better in them than in most repro's. Original replacement parts are also not too difficult to find.

However, if you want an already made .69 Cal. M1842 Musket, Taylors has the Armi Sport models.
https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/184...9-42-white-finish-walnut-stock-model-126.html

Now, feel perfectly free to disregard most of the above information, if you really want to copy a Greenwood musket.
Gus

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Thanks Gus !

Whiteacre Machine Shop actually makes an 1840 rifled barrel that he can make for an 1816 musket.

It would be not historically accurate to make an 1840 flint musket rifled, most in flintlock would have been reconverted later on for personal use, but I thought it would make for a very interesting shooter.

A .675 rifled barrel in flintlock with a long range sight could probably cover 300 yards.

Nick