Parker-Hale 1861 Enfield musketoon?

Saw #1155 a while back advertised on guntrader in the UK. Without knowing the proof codes as above c1973/74 for that one.

David

ResearchPress said:

Saw #1155 a while back advertised on guntrader in the UK. Without knowing the proof codes as above c1973/74 for that one.
David

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Mine is #1187, and was sold to me as 'new' by Mays of London in 1974. There's a confirmation of your research!

Hello David.

For your 'Research Press' data records, I have a few for you.
P53, 4360
P58, 5579
P61, 3814
Volunteer, 788
Volunteer, H1702 (Henry rifling ?)
Whitworth, 1025
Somewhere, I also have another P53, and have not yet established its serial.

49er

satwel said:

Like most civil war rifles, both of my Enfields, 1861 musketoon and 1858 Naval rifle, shoot very high at 50 and 100 yards. Someone raised your front sight to allow a direct hold on the bullseye at short and moderate ranges. I've been wondering how I could do the same thing on my rifles and this looks like a good way to do it. Can you tell, please, how the top brass portion is attached to the original sight base. Is it soldered or pinned? Was the original sight blade filed off?

Thanks in advance.

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I just received my 1861 and here are some pics of the sight, look like the brass portion is soldered to the base, the original sight is still visible underneath.

no1_49er said:

For your 'Research Press' data records, I have a few for you.....

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Thanks for the info.. some approximate dates for you...
P53, 4360 - c1976
P58, 5579 - c1978
P61, 3814 - c1976
Volunteer, 788 - c1981
Volunteer, H1702 (Henry rifling ?) - c1986 - is this 33" or 36" barrel (yes, Henry rifling)
Whitworth, 1025 - c1986

David

Buster95,
Thanks for posting the nice detailed photos of your modified front sight. Much appreciated. They show us exactly how the taller sight attaches on top of the original. Now to find a piece of brass and I can start filing. Enjoy your musketoon. They are a joy to shoot.

satwel said:

Buster95,
Thanks for posting the nice detailed photos of your modified front sight. Much appreciated. They show us exactly how the taller sight attaches on top of the original. Now to find a piece of brass and I can start filing. Enjoy your musketoon. They are a joy to shoot.

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Were it mine I would practice using a "Fine Bead" like my dear old dad told me to years ago, my PH knockoff hits POA at 25 with a Fine Bead. and about 2 inches high at 75. Havent shot on paper past that.
Once you take metal off its harder to put it back on.
My .02

TFoley said:

Please, when you get it, would you post images and the serial number here for Mr David Minshall, a frequent poster here, who is, among other things, keeping a register of P-H serials numbers.

TIA

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Just found this thread, sorry for reviving it. Traded my longbow to a friend since my health wont let me draw it anymore. Got a p&h 2 band musketoon. SN 00076

Stantheman86 said:

I'm sure Brett would work out a deal to ship a batch to the UK .

I order them 80 at a time since it makes the best use of his shipping rates, that allows me to fill up my 50 round cartridge box for a convenient range trip.......and leaves me 30 to pop off if I feel like bringing the Enfield along to wrap up a range day of shooting "other" guns.

No bringing powder measures, loose powder, bullets, etc just a cartridge box full of ammo and a full cap pouch. Quick clean up and I'm done

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...and empty, too.

TFoley said:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

...and empty, too.

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Is the shipping that high?
Is there not a loophole if it's for Historical Research , etc like how books are dirt cheap to ship across the ocean?

Stantheman86 said:

Is the shipping that high?
Is there not a loophole if it's for Historical Research , etc like how books are dirt cheap to ship across the ocean?

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It goes by the physical size of the packaging and the declared value, plus shipping, plus customs duty, plus 20% tax [on everything except books and children's clothing] levied on the entire amount. What starts off costing $50 can easily end up costing way more than £50.

A couple of years ago I had some cast brass tiny details sent to me from a US-based dealer - hinges for my box car I was building and a set of door latches. They were priced in the US at $24.75.



Sadly for me, the sender not only charged me $24 'shipping', but noted them on the customs form as 'precision investment castings', and they were levied for duty as 'jewellery'.

The total cost was just over $72.00, plus the UK mail's laughable 'handling fee' of around $12.

$84 for something that would have gone in an ordinary letter envelope with a piece of card and Scotch tape.

The rationale of 'historical research' cuts no ice here, I'm afraid.

Stantheman86 said:

. . .etc like how books are dirt cheap to ship across the ocean?

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Books are prohibitively expense to order from the USA and shipped to UK. Last I bought, the book was $45 and shipping $39.

David

ResearchPress said:

Books are prohibitively expense to order from the USA and shipped to UK. Last I bought, the book was $45 and shipping $39.

David

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Could a friend send a book to the UK without paying taxes etc? Or is the shipping alone that much?

Bad Karma said:

Could a friend send a book to the UK without paying taxes etc? Or is the shipping alone that much?

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Nice thought, but that’s just the shipping cost - no taxes to pay.

David

Bad Karma said:

Could a friend send a book to the UK without paying taxes etc? Or is the shipping alone that much?

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Taxes are like the poor, always with us. I'm very lucky to have very friendly relationship with a US-based manufacturer of very specialised shooting accessories. His company recently developed a new take on a very useful item, priced in the US at around $145.00.

I was very keen to get my hands on one, but the manufacturer was totally stymied by the newly-imposed importation costs - post-BREXIT - of getting ANYTHING of a commercially-made nature into the UK without incurring extremely unfavourable trading costs. If I had wanted ten of the items - not a problem, but one? Wasn't going to happen.

So they sent the item to a close friend in Oregon, who re-shipped it to me. The item was in a box about 5x5x4, weighed around four ounces. It cost $28.75 to send, and 'attracted' £16.34 plus £8.00 'handling charge'.

There is no way, as Mr Minshall notes, of avoiding paying any levies here, except by smuggling or downright deceit. Both are jail-ish.

Well, at least the government benefits..

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There is no way, as Mr Minshall notes, of avoiding paying any levies here, except by smuggling or downright deceit. Both are jail-ish.

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Not sure how I got dragged into this. I made no reference to avoiding paying levies. My only comments related to the high postal costs of shipping books from the US to the UK. I’ve not had to pay any taxes on books. Please don’t put words into my mouth.

David

The shipping does seem high but even sending a book across the continental US will cost $15.00 or so. In light of that, I suppose $30.00 plus to ship across the Atlantic isn’t out of line…

Shipping is crazy all over. I had to pay $80 to ship a rifle I sold on here one state up from me.

Not long ago I recall shipping a long gun for $25 across the country.

The last time I shipped anything overseas was an Ebay package going to France that went by boat, I had to fill out a book of customs papers and it was so expensive it wasn't even worth it.

Shipping IN TO the US is apparently easy as I've had slings, holsters and bandoliers direct from India left at my door via DHL and the cost of shipping was a few dollars, or 50,000 Rupees or whatever it was. It's the shipping OUT that is prohibitive.

ResearchPress said:

Not sure how I got dragged into this. I made no reference to avoiding paying levies. My only comments related to the high postal costs of shipping books from the US to the UK. I’ve not had to pay any taxes on books. Please don’t put words into my mouth.

David

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Sorry.