And Now for Something Competely Different....

How about a dual ignition, flintlock-caplock, SxS shotgun, allowing the shooter to select firing a cap, or using the flint, or if really worried about it..., selecting both?



This is the Jones, flint-percussion hybrid, and you can read an in depth article with additional photographs here http://weaponsman.com/?p=17316
I wondered if this had been pointed out before on the forum, but I couldn't find it..., of course I'm "batting 500" on screw ups this week, so if I'm redundant, I didn't mean to be....,

LD

That's an interesting shotgun. I'd like to see the percussion side.

It almost appears from what I can see of the jaws of the percussion side that it may have been originally flint and converted to percussion when the touch hole burned out from over use. Rather than replace both locks only one side was converted. Yes, the owner had to carry caps and extra flints, but if the percussion was the most fired and all other components of the load were the same, the only extra item would have been the cap box.

Looking at the additional photos in the link, the only difference between the left and right locks is the flint clamped in the left cock.

One of a lot of funky ideas in the evolutionary history of firearms. Even with the nuttiness, the workmanship is extraordinary.

It has nipples both sides, but don't see a touchhole in these pictures.
I wondered what was holding the top jaw in place, as I saw no vise pin, but Now I see it is a short screw. Likely the concussion of the hammer onto the cap would shear off the longer and normal vise pin.

Col. P Hawker had a double punt gun made, with one barrel flint and the other percussion. Both barrels fired at one pull, but he reckoned the slight difference in ignition time gave him a more deadly pattern for geese or ducks.

That's a good gun for someone who can't make up their mind.

This is a little clearer. Quite interesting

Pukka Bundook said:

It has nipples both sides, but don't see a touchhole in these pictures.

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In the clearer photo you can see the touch holes..

Thanks Donk!

LD

Very interesting piece most likely would have been a flintlock with different percussion breech plugs fitted, which was the platinum vent is now the touch hole I have worked on similar ones know doubt there will not be another like it.
Feltwad

Let me guess...the right barrel is a .53" caliber, and the left is a .47".

You wouldn't need no "stinking touch holes"!

I should have gone to the link and seen the pictures there. That is one interesting gun. Flint - Percussion or Percussion - Flint. Decisions - decisions.

Would the flint have been removed from the left lock if the shooter wanted to use percussion?

Seems like one would need to at least leave the pan and frizzen open, otherwise I don't think the cap would be hit hard enough.

For the man that demands a belt and suspenders.
Robby

rather odd, but an interesting looking gadget

Just when you think you've seen it all LOL For sure, the most curious, and interesting SXS shotgun I've ever seen. Talking about "sticking with one gun" LOL. Today, it might be less expensive to purchase two guns versus a custom alteration like this (?) LOL But again, very interesting. Thanks for posting.

Rick

Ok.
That's the most interesting thing i have seen in 20 years. Well done.

I guess if you run out of caps or get a bad batch just switch to flint. An interesting concept on the back up gun.

Loyalist Dave said:

How about a dual ignition, flintlock-caplock, SxS shotgun, allowing the shooter to select firing a cap, or using the flint, or if really worried about it..., selecting both?

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This is the Jones, flint-percussion hybrid, and you can read an in depth article with additional photographs here http://weaponsman.com/?p=17316
I wondered if this had been pointed out before on the forum, but I couldn't find it..., of course I'm "batting 500" on screw ups this week, so if I'm redundant, I didn't mean to be....,

LD

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Wow, very interesting design. I've seen some intuitive flintlocks / percussion cap conversions but this is certainly unique.

Nice post Dave !

Nicholas A. Genda said:

Wow, very interesting design. I've seen some intuitive flintlocks / percussion cap conversions but this is certainly unique.

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Yes, I expect something this elaborate on a Germanic gun, not English. I've seen "drilling" shotgun/rifles where when you switch the selector to fire the rifle barrel (in one case) the rear, leaf sight pops up on its own. I saw something similar on a caplock drilling where when you cocked the under-hammer for the rifle barrel, the same thing happened....Like one couldn't simply, manually raise the rear, leaf sight ??

LD