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And you're accepting someone else's opinion (not always infallible as evidence) as a settled fact.
This is the same rhetoric I've gotten when discussing science with the anti-science/anti-intellectual crowd. Facts are facts, and more information may come to light in the future. Sometimes, we learn new things that contradict previous facts. Doesn't invalidate the overarching concept. Opinions just aren't facts - and you know the saying about opinions...
 
BH, I have a high opinion of you. You're right most of the time (although not about "tumbling bullets") but you seem to insist that your word is the final say.
 
...but you seem to insist that your word is the final say.
If you say so...
Once again - no one can force you to do anything. Use the information or don't - it really makes no difference to me.
 
BH, I have a high opinion of you. You're right most of the time (although not about "tumbling bullets") but you seem to insist that your word is the final say.

Tumbling bullets ?? how did that get into the conversation?
 
Tumbling bullets ?? how did that get into the conversation?
I made a comment in another thread that round balls "tumble" in flight 360 degrees along all axes so it didn't really matter whether your ball has a sprue.
 
Just a suggestion:
I find it interesting that with the honorable exception of Spence, the folks that are foremost in upholding historicity in the abstract don't seem to be the ones that are foremost in posting actual evidence, and when it is it often tends to be the result of searches through google books. Perhaps a little less energy demanding things of others and more energy spent showing the rest of us how it is done might lead to the results they desire.
 
I posted on the Firearms Identification section, and my post sent me right back to here...

To all you "stitchcounters" - and I use that word in a most positive sense - all of you who do the research, who have (or develop) the skills to make/assemble your own firearms, horns, knives, clothing, everything involved in this pursuit, and come up with an article that is superior in quality and authenticity to what is available "factory made", you to whom the pride of your work and the pride of your worth are as one, who have an eye for the beauty and functionality of architecture, and a patience of mind to work quietly to achieve your aim...To You I say: "Thank You."

Without You, there would be no Traditional Muzzleloading Forum...there would be no Traditional muzzleloading as we know it today, on any meaningful scale. We who dabble - however deeply- in the pursuit, owe You a debt that we can never repay, for You keep the traditions alive, with as much authenticity as is achievable. There is workmanship seen on this Forum, that can hold its own with the original period items...trekkers who have recreated historic treks in all but the bloodshed...members who could sit down at a wilderness campfire and be welcomed among 18th Century French voyageurs or Colonial Rangers or Longhunters. If I met some of you in the woods, it would be a moment of enchantment...a fleeting glimpse of another time.

I am most proud to belong to this Forum, to be among so many of you who have led me along the path and gave me the benefit of your skill and experience. I try to be helpful to others here in return. Angry? I rarely even get annoyed here. New members, who seem a bit glib, or unaware of the Traditional nature of this Forum (but they did join!) I try to nudge them toward the more traditional ways. They learn.

No one on this Forum ever personally offended me ; if I have done so to another, I assure you it was without intent.

I am currently down with Shingles on my left face, and Thrush in my mouth. Not much pain, modern meds can be amazing (on anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-fungal). Forty years ago, it was much worse. Yesterday I was able to spend much of it on The Forum...it was a most enjoyable day.

I have rambled on enough. Again, to All, "Thank You."

Richard/Grumpa
Well said Richard! I surly will keep you and yours in my family’s prayers.

Feel better and get well quickly my friend.

God Bless!

Your friend, Ferrell
 
My question remains: who cares other than you? (maybe a few.) Will traditional ML die if someone uses a striker knife or molybdenum lube? On a flintlock general forum? I'm interested in obsessions and anticipate your reply.

And you're accepting someone else's opinion (not always infallible as evidence) as a settled fact.
For sure our sport won’t die if you do such and such that’s not correct to the time. And all of us live in glass houses. I have a SMR that I like but has no end of things wrong with it.
It’s live and learn. Starting in the 70s I did plenty wrong, and wrong again and again, am still doing stuff wrong. However I want to do it right and what I do wrong this year will be better next year. When Im about 400 I should have it perfect.
So ones happy with x, wants an hc early Lancaster, but has no interest indressing the part. Or will dress close to the time but is happy to use any manner of non hc equipment with the gun and camp in the tin tipi at a shoot. That’s ok.
Should one post a question or a statement about a piece of equipment or loading or matince it stands to reason that person wants an answer. Answears are just marks on a computer screen. Worth every penny spent on them. No one has the right to judge anything thatthat another does with their own property but if you post your at least inviting responses to your statement.
 
Having created this forum over 16 years ago, I must say that there seems to be more disagreement and friction in discussions about how to deal with Historical Accuracy than there actually is about historical items themselves. ;)
 
Due to the HC correct police (one in particular) on this forum I will no longer post or read these. I quit this forum years back because of the same comments this is my 50th year shooting building and hunting with blk pwder firearms. I love helping new shooters get started. So what if there rifle is an Investarms,TC or Traditions it is a start maybe down the road they will be more "HC". I wear Pc correct clothing even tho I have Hanes under my skins bad me 2 of my rifles have vent liners beat me with a wet wipin stick to the rest of you Grenadier Zonie Stumpkiller and the rest may the Gods watch over you
Broken rod

I guess I don't know why I am being labeled as being not inclusive with respect to being Historically Correct. I may point out the differences and what is Historically Correct and what is not. I do encourage that aspect that while some points may not be HC, it is acceptable.

In point of fact in the molybdenum disulfide thread, I have no objection to using it as a grease for metal to metal wear. I don't have issues with the use of the T/C, Lyman, CVA et al. Most of the members of the gun club I belong to use the modern replicas. Most of them are better shooters than I am.

Striving to be Historically Correct is one part of the "Do Your Own Thang" aspect of the enjoyment of traditional muzzleloading. Being HC does not make one better than anyone else who participates in traditional muzzleloading. As we all know it not the only way to enjoy this great pass time.
 
I guess I don't know why I am being labeled as being not inclusive with respect to being Historically Correct. I may point out the differences and what is Historically Correct and what is not. I do encourage that aspect that while some points may not be HC, it is acceptable.

In point of fact in the molybdenum disulfide thread, I have no objection to using it as a grease for metal to metal wear. I don't have issues with the use of the T/C, Lyman, CVA et al. Most of the members of the gun club I belong to use the modern replicas. Most of them are better shooters than I am.

Striving to be Historically Correct is one part of the "Do Your Own Thang" aspect of the enjoyment of traditional muzzleloading. Being HC does not make one better than anyone else who participates in traditional muzzleloading. As we all know it not the only way to enjoy this great pass time.
Well said my friend!
Respectfully, Cowboy
 
Come on guys. This is supposed to be a fun discussion about a great hobby.
If you ask for advice, you'll get it. Maybe some of the responses are not presented in a manner we don't like.
In the end,..... we have a lot of guaranteed rights in this country, but NOT being offended is NOT one of them.
Tolerance goes both ways.
 
Come on guys. This is supposed to be a fun discussion about a great hobby.
If you ask for advice, you'll get it. Maybe some of the responses are not presented in a manner we don't like.
In the end,..... we have a lot of guaranteed rights in this country, but NOT being offended is NOT one of them.
Tolerance goes both ways.
Well said my friend!
Both Ways!!

No way is right or wrong. Only a personal choice that only you can make for your self.

It’s all in the delivery of your view point should one feel inclined to share?

Doesn’t matter how passionate one feels towards their view points. It’s always beneficial to put yourself in another’s shoes and choose for yourself?

In the end, “ With an open mind “ only you are responsible for your own views, your own words and actions, and Yes! Your own beliefs and opinions what ever they may be?

A negative will always be met with a negative! A positive will always be met with a positive!!

In the end, its’ all in how we treat each other’s view points wether we agree or disagree with that view point.

Forming an opinion about somebody because you differ with them can be a very immature judgment call.

Lastly, How many of us have thought to ourselves. “ Boy...I really misjudged that guy! “ How many times have that happened in your life time?? Didn’t really care for the guy at first and then becoming one of your closest dearest friends!!

I consider all friend here!

Respectfully, Cowboy
 
A negative will always be met with a negative! A positive will always be met with a positive!!
Agreed.
However, the current problem is when an honest effort to help (a positive) is taken as an attack (a negative) by a 2nd or 3rd party that isn't even involved in the conversation (or only peripherally). It would be excessively tiresome if each of us had to spend hours on each post ensuring that what we wrote couldn't possibly be re-interpreted by someone else in a negative manner, as we all know that personal perspective can always turn a positive/neutral statement into a negative if we don't like what is being said (seen here and elsewhere too many times to count). As I've said several times - we are adults, and as adults, one should be able to control their emotions and stop being offended by posts that were never attacks. I, for one, find it exceptionally tiresome having to field a number of angry responses & personal attacks each time I happen to mention something isn't supported by evidence (i.e. is not PC or HC) because a 2nd/3rd party FEELS I attacked the person rather than what actually happened, I addressed the item...

Here is my first post in the Damascus patch knife thread:
Nice looking. Not documented much earlier than the 1970's.

Personally, I'd never own/use one. A knife blade and a striker are tempered to a different hardness, and I have no desire to have a sharp end attached to my fire striker. Not to mention that if dropped, there is a very good chance your striker will shatter and you'll be left with a blade and no handle...


Please point out where I attacked the person posting...
 
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IMO, I see nothing relating to attacks nor further on within the thread. I see advice relating to the possibility of a injury that could result from careless use of the item, therefore me personally I would accept so said advice as a "Hey, good thinking, thank you for mentioning that".

From there, within that particular discussion I do see FAR more negativity directed towards the mentioning of the item not being documented much before 1970 by those who label individuals as HC police...
 
Maybe so. The example I gave back then was to compare my position as a state music adjudicator (somewhat like a music nazi) and when I am adjudicating at a festival/contest event, I am doing so because that is the nature of the event. I watch how I say my critiques and what I write to get the point across. Now, do I do this to a street musician who did not ask for my opinion? No. When they are ready, they may ask or someone might suggest an alternative without the demeanor of the old, always angry rangemaster.

How and when you say something can cause issues.
 
Maybe so. The example I gave back then was to compare my position as a state music adjudicator (somewhat like a music nazi) and when I am adjudicating at a festival/contest event, I am doing so because that is the nature of the event. I watch how I say my critiques and what I write to get the point across. Now, do I do this to a street musician who did not ask for my opinion? No. When they are ready, they may ask or someone might suggest an alternative without the demeanor of the old, always angry rangemaster.

How and when you say something can cause issues.
True. But that doesn't really apply here - if someone is posting, then they are looking for responses. If you don't want to know, don't ask. If you do ask, be prepared for responses from many different perspectives and take them at face value...
 
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