New Movie The Revenant?

RonRC · Feb 15, 2016

I can appreciate what DiCaprio endured.
Hiking in the Winter, in snow on the Dolly Sods of West Virginia, I had to cross a stream at freezing temperature. It was INTENSE and impacted me almost immediately. And the water was only up to my knees.

I can't imagine what it would be like to be immersed completely at freezing temperatures. There is no way I would have survived as long as Glass does in the movie.

I also probably misstated my point about the brutality. By the time I had watched him get mauled, dragged, buried, crawled, cauterized, immersed, falling over a cliff, I was spent and wasted and shall I say, entertained.:grin:
Then, a ride in the snow, a slide down a hill, a fight, stabbing and wrestling :shocked2: - I would have been just fine had the film ended a bit earlier.
Ron

coloradoclyde · Feb 15, 2016

I can't imagine what it would be like to be immersed completely at freezing temperatures. There is no way I would have survived as long as Glass does in the movie.

I went through the ice once when the temp was right around zero degrees....Had to swim about 30 yards to shore....it was about 2 hours before I got to change cloths and warm up..

Adrenaline is a beautiful thing... :haha:

I also probably misstated my point about the brutality. By the time I had watched him get mauled, dragged, buried, crawled, cauterized, immersed, falling over a cliff, I was spent and wasted and shall I say, entertained.:grin:
Then, a ride in the snow, a slide down a hill, a fight, stabbing and wrestling :shocked2: - I would have been just fine had the film ended a bit earlier.

Yep, it made me squirm in my seat....and it sticks with you for a few days.....
But, I don't think it was as gratuitously violent as some of the horror flicks out there...
The last scene sucked...

Grumpa · Feb 15, 2016

Reply to all, (and no one in particular)

Wife was reading to me from the latest Smithsonian magazine, an article about historical accuracy in movies "based upon a true story".

Seems the best score (given by historians) was only 28%, for "Twenty Years A Slave". (The Revenant probably was released after the article was written.)

"Based upon a true story" is just a starting point, from which the Director can go anywhere, to make whatever point he desires.

In the end, it's just a movie.

tenngun · Feb 15, 2016

Of corse we have kicked it around a bit. The events took place in the summer, on the prairie not the mts, ect ect. When saving private Ryan came out a veteran of d day was behind me. Pretty soon he was weeping with memory. I talked to him after the movie. The only comments he made about the d day scene was the missing planes. There is a you tube video about how poor so many historic movies are, still I really liked the 300 :haha:

coloradoclyde · Feb 15, 2016

Reality just doesn't sell...Even the evening news has to be sensationalized to keep people from falling asleep or changing the channel....

fischereco2 · Feb 16, 2016

Man, I think I just got it. I've been thinking about this movie, about all of the complaints, about everyone essentially saying the same thing which is "no one could survive that" and "why do they over sensationalize everything?" and I just realized...

He doesn't survive. Not just at the end, but at all. He is dead from the moment they leave him in the grave.

tenngun · Feb 16, 2016

Yup, I've heard people complained that guys get paid so much more to hit a ball then teach children or save lifes. Fact is people will pay $100 a seat to watch a ball get thrown, but won't pay a dime to watch me adjust a blood pressure drug or do a neuro check. I would pay to see a historic movie, but 'Das Boot' or'TheCrossing' didn't do that well. The real Glass story would not be that dramatic to film.

pab1 · Feb 17, 2016

Finally saw it tonight. I was glad that I knew beforehand how far off track Hollywood went with it. Because of that I wasn't expecting an accurate adaptation of the novel or Glass' actual story. My expectations were pretty low. Other than having to suspend my disbelief at many unrealistic things that took place I enjoyed it for the most part. It comes across like a modern day version of TV and pulp serials that were based on an actual character but with a fictional dramatic story.

vtbuck223 · Feb 17, 2016

tenngun said:
Yup, I've heard people complained that guys get paid so much more to hit a ball then teach children or save lifes. Fact is people will pay $100 a seat to watch a ball get thrown, but won't pay a dime to watch me adjust a blood pressure drug or do a neuro check. I would pay to see a historic movie, but 'Das Boot' or'TheCrossing' didn't do that well. The real Glass story would not be that dramatic to film.

So true! Today...when a movie doesn't go from one action scene to the next people complain that it drags. If you want to watch a fairly realistic movie....I challenge you to watch "Meek's Cutoff"...circa 1845...about a mountain man guiding a family out west. If anyone hasn't seen it...you really should watch it. Fairly realistic "pace" in terms of how much "action" takes place in an hour and a half movie.

George · Feb 17, 2016

I agree, Meek's Cutoff is a good one. It involves Stephen Meek, older brother to Joseph Meek, who's better known to those of us in the hobby.

Spence

tenngun · Feb 17, 2016

That spills in to books. Even history books. I like the napolianic war navel fiction. Reading the books you get the sense of fast paced events . In truth big ships of the line went in to battle at about 4 miles an hour, faster frigates 6 or 7 mph. Good history books sometimes drag on and on. In real life things just didn't happen fast enough. I'm not a sports fan, but I think much of the increased interest in basket ball and decreased interest in base ball is the pace of the game. Basket ball always has something happening, while a lot of time is spent standing and looking.
I love to hunt but hunting shows bore me to tears.

Mickc01 · Feb 17, 2016

You guys made me laugh!! Thanks, not enough of that these days. When I see an Alden post I pretty much automatically skip it. Thanks for causing me to go back and read it. It was too much!! :haha:

coloradoclyde · Feb 17, 2016

Mick C said:
When I see an Alden post I pretty much automatically skip it. :haha:

I do just the opposite.....I read nearly every one...It's like mining....you have to dig through a lot of rubble to find gold.....but it's gold none the less..... :grin:

Kansas Jake · Feb 17, 2016

"It comes across like a modern day version of TV and pulp serials that were based on an actual character but with a fictional dramatic story."

A good comparison

Like the dime novels from the later 1800's about Doc. Holliday, Wild Bill, Wyatt etc. They were based on a real person, but mostly exaggerated fiction. Maybe Ned Buntline has been reincarnated as a movie director.

FrontierMuzzleloading · Feb 17, 2016

It was a cute movie but where it was filmed, I did not feel a connection to the surroundings nor did I like the ending part of the movie. All bogus hollywood stuff. Shooting the bear with the frizzen open was funny.

They made it look like Fitz was a murder of a child.

Good, but not The mountain men or Jeremiah Johnson good.

vtbuck223 · Feb 18, 2016

FML said:
They made it look like Fitz was a murder of a child.

As others have pointed out...and I agree with you...the plot choice of having Fitz murder Glass's son and try to murder Glass...was unfortunate and unnecessary. For me...the enjoyment in the movie was not in the overall plot...but in the incredible camera work and individual scenes.

Personally, I think that it would have been much more powerful to have had the audience identify with Fitz in a struggle around making the choice to leave Glass...rather that have him be such an obvious villain.

pab1 · Feb 18, 2016

vtbuck223 said:
Personally, I think that it would have been much more powerful to have had the audience identify with Fitz in a struggle around making the choice to leave Glass...rather that have him be such an obvious villain.

I agree. That would have been a much better storyline. They took an unimaginative approach coming up with a run of the mill Hollywood story.

pab1 · Feb 18, 2016

SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING CARRY THE WIND!

I almost forgot but for a brief moment in the movie as the fight was about to begin between Glass and Fitzgerald, my mind instantly went to the end of Carry the Wind. That's exactly how I had pictured the scenery and shootout between Titus Bass and Asa McAfferty when I read it years ago.

Jaegermeister · Feb 21, 2016

I just saw it today and I really liked it. Makes me want to go out and shoot my flintlock.

CaptainKirk · Feb 21, 2016

Alden said:
Yes, unwatchable. And, to be as serious and even more honest, I confess I was never swept away with the overly romanticized myth of the Mountain Men (this includes that specific entitled movie as well -- so, so, bad). It's all as much glorified, sanitized, nonsense as anything else. I know this isn't appreciated here, especially by some who were influenced in their childhood by a film to buy a custom Hawken rifle as soon as they could barely afford it, but the historical characters were a handful of mouth-breathers with few if any other options in life except to exploit what they could from others and nature itself, destroying their hosts like viruses and having to push ever farther into the void to earn their bloody and menial living.

And please don't anyone start telling me about this or that exception like some third son ivy league college grad, etc., who chose to go on an adventure. I know they have some interesting stories but these men were the dregs of civilized society and the films about them couldn't be much worse IMO. And then there's Leonardo.

I think if he were as great a talent as some would have us believe he should have died for his art. Lord, hear our prayer.

Well, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, then.
I wonder, if I may ask, what you would consider a "good" movie?

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