Increased Prices of Replica Percussion Revolvers

[Rawhide67]

Well, lets see. " ignorance is not a lack of education. It's a lack of willingness to be educated. Followed by very careful propagandized conditioning that both the Left and Right constantly push on America." That is more accurate, IMHO.

100% in agreement with that statemwnt

 

[B P Arn]

Correct! The process is the same as any other Class 3 purchase, such as a Suppressor or SBR etc. The real question is. Why do you think you need one, and pls ony intelligent, thought out, realistic answers need reply. Thanks

No one needs a reason to exercise a constitutional right. In contrast, anyone who wants to infringe upon that right is the one who had better come up with some damned good excuses. So far, I haven't heard any.

 

[stikshooter]

It's 2023, there's 340 million people in this country, we lead the world in mass shooting with 2 a day. Now I'm as pro gun as anyone, but the thought of selling full auto weapons to just anyone that walks in scares the ---- out of me, and it should you. A few laws aren't gonna hurt you.

I don't fear full auto neither should you ! It just means someone had the money and the sense to live in a free state. /Ed

 

[user 48702]

Correct! The process is the same as any other Class 3 purchase, such as a Suppressor or SBR etc. The real question is. Why do you think you need one, and pls ony intelligent, thought out, realistic answers need reply. Thanks

"Needs" is subjective, everyone has needs; however, one needs only a few basic "needs" for survival, the Amish are a prime example. It really boils down to a want or desire to collect within ones means. A collector has no realistic need for the items one collects, but has a desire to own a particular item, whether it be a particular type of weapon, coins, vehicles, or any other collectible. There are folks who also collect barbed-wire, do they have a "need"? I say not, but they have that desire to collect the best 18" sample of a particular variation of wire they can find, and many of these examples go for exorbitant prices. Does one "need" a street legal Ferrari that has a top end over 200 mph?, no he does not, it again falls back to that want or desire if you have the financial means to purchase and maintain one. It falls on the individual owner of that Ferrari to drive it within the legal limits and abide by the laws of his state/country for use upon the highways thereof.

 

[brushblind]

Correct! The process is the same as any other Class 3 purchase, such as a Suppressor or SBR etc. The real question is. Why do you think you need one, and pls ony intelligent, thought out, realistic answers need reply. Thanks

To keep a raging despot like Joe O'Biden from selling your country out to whom ever pays his family millions or maybe to protect yourself when the millions of illegals get their freebies cut off and have no other choice but to take what you've worked for all your life! I don't own a full auto anything or a silencer but I respect your rights if that's what you choose! Back to the original post, the drastic price increase of transportation and minimum wage are what's driving prices out of reach for many! Battery vehicles are not the answer unless the tech. can be drastically improved, 2023 will be a decisive year for all of us!

 

[Jedidiah]

I don't fear full auto neither should you ! It just means someone had the money and the sense to live in a free state. /Ed

It is not about fear. That is right wing propaganda. It is about the problems associated with having auto weapons proliferate. If you can't understand what posssible problems that would cause. I can't explain

"Needs" is subjective, everyone has needs; however, one needs only a few basic "needs" for survival, the Amish are a prime example. It really boils down to a want or desire to collect within ones means. A collector has no realistic need for the items one collects, but has a desire to own a particular item, whether it be a particular type of weapon, coins, vehicles, or any other collectible. There are folks who also collect barbed-wire, do they have a "need"? I say not, but they have that desire to collect the best 18" sample of a particular variation of wire they can find, and many of these examples go for exorbitant prices. Does one "need" a street legal Ferrari that has a top end over 200 mph?, no he does not, it again falls back to that want or desire if you have the financial means to purchase and maintain one. It falls on the individual owner of that Ferrari to drive it within the legal limits and abide by the laws of his state/country for use upon the highways thereof.

" It falls on the individual owner of that Ferrari to drive it within the legal limits and abide by the laws of his state/country for use upon the highways thereof." Do you honestly think that someone who owns one of these won't have the urge to "test it"? I agree need is arbitrary., but you point out a prime example of why this country is in such sad shape. It is not always about what we "want" or think we "need". It is about using our God given brains and making better choices. There is NO NEED of any kind for a vehicle that can go 200 mph etc, unless it is for "professional" racing etc, and will be used on a designated track etc. IMHO. If manufacture's would use those resources to build more useful, practical vehicles, maybe we would have better vehicles at a lesser cost. Maybe. That is just one example.

 

[Jedidiah]

To keep a raging despot like Joe O'Biden from selling your country out to whom ever pays his family millions or maybe to protect yourself when the millions of illegals get their freebies cut off and have no other choice but to take what you've worked for all your life! I don't own a full auto anything or a silencer but I respect your rights if that's what you choose! Back to the original post, the drastic price increase of transportation and minimum wage are what's driving prices out of reach for many! Battery vehicles are not the answer unless the tech. can be drastically improved, 2023 will be a decisive year for all of us!

I do not support Biden or his policies but, "To keep a raging despot like Joe O'Biden " Really?

 

[mushka]

If you can legally buy a handgun by paying for it and passing the 4473 you can buy an nfa weapon. Only difference is the fingerprint card and sheriff signature on the nfa form and the two hundred dollar tax stamp. The fingerprint card is the hold up because the fbi does that part and they are slower than dirt. Nothing special with nfa except the cost and the wait.

 

[Robby]

Not in this state.
Robby

 

[stikshooter]

It is not about fear. That is right wing propaganda. It is about the problems associated with having auto weapons proliferate. If you can't understand what posssible problems that would cause. I can't explain

" It falls on the individual owner of that Ferrari to drive it within the legal limits and abide by the laws of his state/country for use upon the highways thereof." Do you honestly think that someone who owns one of these won't have the urge to "test it"? I agree need is arbitrary., but you point out a prime example of why this country is in such sad shape. It is not always about what we "want" or think we "need". It is about using our God given brains and making better choices. There is NO NEED of any kind for a vehicle that can go 200 mph etc, unless it is for "professional" racing etc, and will be used on a designated track etc. IMHO. If manufacture's would use those resources to build more useful, practical vehicles, maybe we would have better vehicles at a lesser cost. Maybe. That is just one example.

You left out democrap in your aviator/Ed

 

[Edm]

I have no “need” for FA. It was fun when the Gov payed for me to shoot them. Now I don’t prioritize my expenditures to justify the price of the gun or the ammo. I have no “need” for a suppressor either, but I own one because I want to. MUCH safer on my ears and to me it was worth the cost. Need doesn’t play into it in these cases however. I don’t really hunt, and can buy all my food at Kroger so I don’t really NEED a gun at all if we are being honest. Unless I need it for protection. But even then I don’t NEED more than one, and don’t NEED any black powder firearms because there are much better tools for self defense. When someone else decides what I can have based on their perception of NEED, it becomes a opinion based on feelings that are not grounded on anything. We can end all drunk driving and sober driving vehicular accidents by saying no one NEEDs a car. People did fine for thousands of years without them. We don’t NEED air conditioning.

 

[Jedidiah]

You left out democrap in your aviator/Ed

You left out democrap in your aviator/Ed???? i have no clue what this means. I am certain it is based on facts & data and supported by corroborated and vetted information? Yes?

 

[springfield art]

Agree! Bunch of reasons including the one you stated that are contributing to the cost increases and scarcity of products. Think about the first pistols to come into the country in 1958 and 59. 64 years ago. Lots of reasons why so many haven't survied or didn't survive in decent shape over the years. Reenacting, shooting, poor care, movie use, or just plain neglect. Look how many of these weapons got pounded to scrap in spaghetti westerns. Now with increased demand, decreased production, increased import costs, labor issues, raw materials issues, trained worker shortages, etc. not hard to see why we see less of them new and used.

We might as well just get used to the idea that a good Italian Musket will be a Two Thousand Dollar investment for new re-enactors!

 

[springfield art]

To keep a raging despot like Joe O'Biden from selling your country out to whom ever pays his family millions or maybe to protect yourself when the millions of illegals get their freebies cut off and have no other choice but to take what you've worked for all your life! I don't own a full auto anything or a silencer but I respect your rights if that's what you choose! Back to the original post, the drastic price increase of transportation and minimum wage are what's driving prices out of reach for many! Battery vehicles are not the answer unless the tech. can be drastically improved, 2023 will be a decisive year for all of us!

The 1933 law, with all it's problems, has been pretty effective over all; there's almost no, if ever, any use of legal full-autos in crimes. The fact that the feds really come down hard on Class 3 violations helps.

 

[Rawhide67]

We are playing a dangerous game when we let bureaucrats in Washington decide what WE NEED.

 

[Jedidiah]

We are playing a dangerous game when we let bureaucrats in Washington decide what WE NEED.

That is why we vote. We vote for representatives that we think will vote and hold a position on an issue that we agree with. If the Representative do not vote for what we perceive to be in our best interest, than we Vote against them when reelection comes around. Do you have a different way of handling this?

 

[user 48702]

It is not about fear. That is right wing propaganda. It is about the problems associated with having auto weapons proliferate. If you can't understand what posssible problems that would cause. I can't explain

" It falls on the individual owner of that Ferrari to drive it within the legal limits and abide by the laws of his state/country for use upon the highways thereof." Do you honestly think that someone who owns one of these won't have the urge to "test it"? I agree need is arbitrary., but you point out a prime example of why this country is in such sad shape. It is not always about what we "want" or think we "need". It is about using our God given brains and making better choices. There is NO NEED of any kind for a vehicle that can go 200 mph etc, unless it is for "professional" racing etc, and will be used on a designated track etc. IMHO. If manufacture's would use those resources to build more useful, practical vehicles, maybe we would have better vehicles at a lesser cost. Maybe. That is just one example.

I don't own a high performance vehicle, unless one considers my turbo charged 2003 Ford F250 Crew Cab with the 7.3L International mfg diesel engine, the same engine that powers track hoes and other heavy construction equipment. I got great mileage until they came out with the "Low Sulphur" diesel fuel. My mileage dropped from 21 mpg to 17 mpg cargo empty and no load. Also, when I first bought it, diesel was .10 to .15 cheaper than gasoline, but when they implemented the Low Sulphur fuel, diesel is now $1.00 to $1.50 more than a gallon of gasoline. Also, the fuel change screws up the injectors and filters causing more shop maintenance. I've had to have the truck shop drop and clean out the fuel tank twice, at $1200 per service, just so they could clean out all the sludge and bacteria that the low sulphur allows to grow. For the best engine performance and lower emissions, you now have to buy a Sulphur diesel additive to replace that which has been removed in order to provide lubrication and limit wear and tear on the engine.

I imagine if you could have your way, you would have vehicle manufacturers install a speed limiter on all street legal vehicles which restricts speed to 70 mph. But realistically, it will never happen, since it's all about the money. The States and municipalities would lose too much speeding ticket revenue, I would say at least a 75% decrease in revenue. The governor here just recently signed in constitutional carry, and all of the county sheriffs are up in arms, not because it protects constitutional rights or that they can't arrest for carrying without a permit, no, they are up in arms because of lost revenue to the departments due to the lack of permit sales. It's all about the money.

 

[Jedidiah]

We might as well just get used to the idea that a good Italian Musket will be a Two Thousand Dollar investment for new re-enactors!

When that happens ,and if prices keep rising, it will, I believe you can say "good bye" to the BP sports as we know them, because many people will be "priced out" of the sport. IMHO

 

[Jedidiah]

I don't own a high performance vehicle, unless one considers my turbo charged 2003 Ford F250 Crew Cab with the 7.3L International mfg diesel engine, the same engine that powers track hoes and other heavy construction equipment. I got great mileage until they came out with the "Low Sulphur" diesel fuel. My mileage dropped from 21 mpg to 17 mpg cargo empty and no load. Also, when I first bought it, diesel was .10 to .15 cheaper than gasoline, but when they implemented the Low Sulphur fuel, diesel is now $1.00 to $1.50 more than a gallon of gasoline. Also, the fuel change screws up the injectors and filters causing more shop maintenance. I've had to have the truck shop drop and clean out the fuel tank twice, at $1200 per service, just so they could clean out all the sludge and bacteria that the low sulphur allows to grow. For the best engine performance and lower emissions, you now have to buy a Sulphur diesel additive to replace that which has been removed in order to provide lubrication and limit wear and tear on the engine.

I imagine if you could have your way, you would have vehicle manufacturers install a speed limiter on all street legal vehicles which restricts speed to 70 mph. But realistically, it will never happen, since it's all about the money. The States and municipalities would lose too much speeding ticket revenue, I would say at least a 75% decrease in revenue. The governor here just recently signed in constitutional carry, and all of the county sheriffs are up in arms, not because it protects constitutional rights or that they can't arrest for carrying without a permit, no, they are up in arms because of lost revenue to the departments due to the lack of permit sales. It's all about the money.

When you live in a Capitalist economy, It is Always about the money. As far as vehicles go, there is a happy medium somewhere that most rational people would agree upon when it comes to speed. What that is, I do not know at present. But, If the legal speeds on our highways is 70 mph, how much faster does a vehicle need to go? Yes, it needs to have power and a margin for passing etc, so lets not nit pick, but the reality is. if the speed limits are 70mph, does your vehicle need to be capable of 120? It's an interesting question.

 

[Edm]

The 1933 law, with all it's problems, has been pretty effective over all; there's almost no, if ever, any use of legal full-autos in crimes. The fact that the feds really come down hard on Class 3 violations helps.

What did the 93 law have to do with full auto? Because I don’t remember anything about full auto in it…