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Thoughts on Patch Boxes - or lack thereof - on the Kentucky Rifle in its Golden Age (and Colonial Age)

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I'm having a York-Style rifle built and got to thinking about stylistic choices, and particularly the big question: to include or not include a patch box on my build? I'm interested in building/owning a rifle that is both historically plausible and aesthetically pleasing by my own standards. I love a good patch box, but I also love having a nice big patch of beautiful exposed wood on a gun. So I've been looking around at historical precedent and artistic inspiration.

Now I realize and fully agree that the patch box, especially as it evolved throughout the "Golden Age" is one of the features that sets the American Longrifle apart from other guns. I also think they are often very striking and beautiful, and when done well enhance the beauty of the wood and the lines of the rifle. In some cases I think they are gaudy and distracting, and occasionally downright ugly (mostly on cheaper modern reproductions).

Reading past threads on this site and others, I've come across the claim that (to paraphrase): "Historically, longrifles have patch boxes. If you want a proper, historically accurate long rifle, you need a patch box." Exceptions are granted, especially when you get into the Tennessee backwoods, but generally this camp asserts that a "Kentucky," or a Pennsylvania long rifle without a patch box is missing something.

Here is my thesis: While non-patch box rifles were less common than rifles with patch boxes, they were not rare. I think they are under-represented in much of the literature on the topic. The decorated patch box is rightly considered a trademark feature of the American longrifle, but because of that, literature on the topic tends to leave out the examples without them. They were around.

For example, Kindig's "Thoughts on the Kentucky Rifle" - one of the foundational works on the long rifle - features no York rifles without patch boxes. In fact, while I didn't do a complete search, I don't think he has any rifles in that book without them. However, this makes sense, because Kindig's stated purpose was to examine the Kentucky Rifle as a work of art, and so naturally he focused on the most artistically expressive examples. However, a look through James Whisker's more focused work, "Gunsmiths of York County" shows at least nine York rifles without patch boxes that stretch from the Revolutionary period up to the end of the flint era. Shumway, in RCA vol. II includes a York rifle (#90) that he thinks is pre-revolutionary without a patch box. I left out any guns that had primarily fowler features (such as lacking a cheek rest or a grip extension of the trigger guard). I focused on York rifles because that's my area of interest at the moment and also the area where I have the most specialized literature.

My purpose here is not to start an argument, but to have a fun and interesting discussion, and hopefully to learn a thing or two. I am also not looking for someone to tell me whether or not to have a patchbox on my own rifle or rifles - I can make that choice for myself. I'm also not trying to put up an elaborate defense of leaving off a patch box from a build. I just was thinking about this, and thought it would be an interesting discussion.

I think I'm gonna post this at the ALR forum too to get that group's thoughts on it, too.
 
I only used a patch box to store small things once. It was the style you find commonly on Hawkens. At the end of the hunt I had lost everything in the patch box. So IMO they are nice accent but not mandatory.
 
All of my guns moving forward will have one. Looks nice, keeps some vital cleaning and maintenance supplies secure, and seems be historically accurate… but mostly the first two.
 
The Brass patch box along with the long barreled rifle are the Great American developments in Muzzle Loading firearm's ,

Yes, I think this is a good point - Even though the patch box probably originated in Germany (I think) in its wooden form, the decorated metal patch box really exemplifies the uniquely American rifle, along with the long barrel. Even if these were not universal features among American longrifles, these are the features that stand out as typically and uniquely American.
 
I fit a wooden sliding tool box in most all my rifles nice deep ones for a jag, a ball puller, a vent pick and spare flints with a bit of rag . But no patches though I suppose you could could put patches into them. I have made brass boxes when suiting a order but since I don't use any long rifle I let the buyer do what they want In rifles that never had boxes like Turkish & Scots I carry the gubbins in a pouch ,tin or box of some sort & with matchlocks just bore holes to take a wire jag that holds onto cloth so well & a hole to douse the match coal .. What most all hunting guns get is hole suffice to take quills/ feathers to seal the vent & if cap lock trap a bit of rubber to seal the nipple if its wet / over night . On better percussion rifles I make a round or oblong box for caps the oblong having catches like the Baker rifle and like it have a jag & some times lubed bullets . a wooden divide to keep the caps separate in longer boxes a piece of broken wooden rule might serve to make a measuring ruler inches of course , I never adopted the Metric.
Rudyard
 
On my first build I had decided to include a brass patch box but was dissatisfied with the available choices. In the end I bought a blank and cut out my own design with a jewelers saw. In letting this was rather tedious.

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I think there were a lot more plain rifles made than the survival rate would indicate. A guy trying to make a living on a frontier farm just didn't have the money to spend on a fancy rifle. If you look at the journals of Lenord Reedy he was making rifles that ranged from around $5.00 to $19.00. I think we can be certain that the cheaper rifles were probably very plain.
 
I don't have strong feelings for either one. I have three Lancaster style flintlocks with just two of them sporting nice brass patchboxes. I don't want a patchbox on my Appalachian/SMR; I have two and no patchbox. If the gun has a patchbox, however, I DO use it for flints, dry patches, cleaning jags, extra balls and sometimes matches. I feel a patchbox can be too big and showy and prefer a more subdued box. I like them on the right style of rifle, but some just shouldn't have them at all.
 
Well, personally I'm fine with the rugged beauty of a Tennessee mountain rifle, but in making guns, a Patchbox is one of the most fun parts, design, fabrication, engraving, all of it, plus figuring out, making and installing the lid release mechanism is bonus points!
Robby
 
Sounds like you might have price on your mind.?. Go for it! You’ll probably regret Not doing it down the road.
 
Sounds like you might have price on your mind.?. Go for it! You’ll probably regret Not doing it down the road.

Not at all. As I mentioned in the first post, it's more about thinking about the history and HC aspect. I still haven't made up my mind, but it's more about aesthetics than price. Anyway, I'm already far enough in on this gun that the price of a patch box isn't going to change that much.

Funny you should mention it. Today's work ...

Nice! Looking forward to seeing the finished result.
 
That's a tough one. I think either will be fine historically. I've seen some guns where the architecture and the beauty of the wood just didn't need a box. Lehighs are like that to me. A fully dressed Rupp copy is far less interesting to me than a really well done schimmel with pretty wood.
 
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