Just bought my 1st BPR 1858 Pietta Remington Army 44 cal 8" barrel steel frame

[hawkeye2]

Winchester Va
PF58ST448 vs RGA44
Is the RGA44 a 1858 New Model Army
And my PF58ST448 just called Remington Army steel frame
What is the difference between the army and the new army

Hello neighbor, you are only 10 miles from one of the largest black powder distributors in the US (link below). I suggest you call Jackie and let him know what you are looking for, I'm sure he has it. He sells (also ships) by appointment and during the regional N-SSA skirmishes. He farms too so you may have to call a few times to get to him. If you are not aware you are also 10 miles from the N-SSA national range and there was a skirmish there today.

https://blackpowderva.com/
http://www.n-ssa.org/

 

[Cadmandu]

Yep I emailed him a few days ago. His store is open only by appointment

 

[Cadmandu]

I'm a yankee living below the Mason dixie . Actually I was born in Cumberland md in 1950 but was moved to hollidaysburg pa in 57

 

[Cadmandu]

I have spent way too much and did not even get the gun yet.

1858 Remmy Pietta 44 Cal Army	$300.00	Midway USA
Triple K 310 Belt Holster	$33.00	Midway USA
(2) Hornady Bullets Round Ball	$24.00	Midway USA
Pyrodex P	$27.00	Cabelas
44 Cal wads	$10.00	Cabelas
Targets	$5.00	Cabelas
Nipple Wrench	$24.00	SliXprings
(6) SS Nipples	$36.00	SliXprings
Muzzleloader Powder Measure	$12.00	Amazon
Muzzle-loaders Black Powder Flask	$22.00	Amazon
Muzzle-Loaders™ Cleaning Patches	$8.00	Amazon
Muzzle-Loaders Patch Puller	$6.00	Amazon
WEREWOLVES Cleaning Kit	$15.00	Amazon
Ballistol	$12.00	Amazon
#10 Remington Caps	$12.00	Back Creek
Goex fff	$26.00	Back Creek
	$572.00

 

[bore_butter]

i've been shooting the pietta remmington 1858 new army revolver since 2009 and still use the pietta nipples that came with the revolver and remmington #10 caps.
never had a misfire or cap jam and use the grease over ball so far.
up to a few years ago i shot the hornady 451 balls and never had any issues. read that the .454's were better so i bought a box of the hornady cold form .454's and the first
ball i tried to load using the revolver sheared the loading lever pin. bought several of those and repaired the revolver and decided to buy a cylinder loader that was able to do
the .44's and .36's

i did buy some aftermarket #11 nipples for both of my pietta's just in case i can't find the #10 remmington's some day.

 

[NCGoober]

I have spent way too much and did not even get the gun yet.

Yep that aligns with my ~$300 misc expenses to get shooting.
However if you buy two more guns then that drops to only $100/gun!

 

[cynthialee]

I have never held one of these in my hand and I'm curious as to how the feel compared to the 1860 Army. I know many of you folks have shot both and wondering what your opinions about the two of them are.
Robby

the 1858 has the easy to remove cylinder and if you get spares for it, that makes it worth having, but the 1860 just feels right when you handle and shoot

The 1858 feels a little off to me after handling a Colt.

 

[Cadmandu]

Well I earned my BP badge already.
I had to walk down a 650 ft snow covered driveway with 6 in of snow and 1 in of ice on top to get my 1858 Remmy. It is beautiful and well balanced with the 8 in barrel.

 

[Cadmandu]

Hi All
My loading plunger lines up with the chamber on full cock and hammer down only. At half cock at ratchet it is off by .020 it actually hits the top of the cylinder. To load you need to line up cylinder and hold it just before the lock position. Is this normal?
Thanks

 

[hawkeye2]

At half cock the cylinder should be free to rotate, bolt still down in the frame. Are you pulling the hammer up to full cock locking the cylinder and then letting it back down to half cock? When I load with the cylinder in the gun, which is very rare for me, I leave the cylinder free to rotate.

 

[user 16256]

In a pinch go to store that has kids toys and look for red cap gun caps. They look just like percussion caps and work.
Or get #11 nipples if you can find #11caps. TOW good place.

Be careful with the plastic toy caps. I've had them go off while capping from thumb pressure. Always point downrange when capping!
Better, safer option:
https://22lrreloader.com/products/11-percussion-cap-maker

 

[Cadmandu]

At half cock the cylinder should be free to rotate, bolt still down in the frame. Are you pulling the hammer up to full cock locking the cylinder and then letting it back down to half cock? When I load with the cylinder in the gun, which is very rare for me, I leave the cylinder free to rotate.

Hi Hawk
I have researched this problem and it seems that all the 58 piettas do this. To answer your question I was pulling the hammer back from its rest position to the half cock position. Then rotate till it would make a click from the pawl spring or hand. This position is just past the loading position. I have a very interesting document that I made from copy and paste from forums. I will turn it into a pdf and upload. Do you think the road to the back creek store is clear of snow and ice. I have 600 ft of nothing but.

 

[hawkeye2]

Hi Hawk
I have researched this problem and it seems that all the 58 piettas do this. To answer your question I was pulling the hammer back from its rest position to the half cock position. Then rotate till it would make a click from the pawl spring or hand. This position is just past the loading position. I have a very interesting document that I made from copy and paste from forums. I will turn it into a pdf and upload. Do you think the road to the back creek store is clear of snow and ice. I have 600 ft of nothing but.

All the roads up here are clear and dry but you can always call Jackie.

I just looked at my Pietta Remingtons and they freewheel at half cock in the CW direction only. The hand prevents CCW rotation. Somehow I had gotten it in my mind that yours was locked in both directions which I couldn't understand. I checked my Piettas, one made in the 90s, 2 made in the past 3 years, and the loading lever will misalign when I hold the cylinder back against the hand. There is enough slop in the lever assembly that it only hits the mouth of the chamber some of the time and, holding the gun vertically, I can lean it one way or the other and it clears. I hadn't paid much attention as I load off the gun and hadn't used the lever in years but I just rolled the cylinder with the thumb and forefinger of my left hand and gave the lever a pull when the ball was under it when I did load on the gun.

 

[Cadmandu]

Here is what I found out about the issue.

 

[JamesA]

I have one pretty much identical with the exception that it has an interchangeable cylinder that you can shoot "unmentionable" center-fire rounds in it. Cimarron imports it from Pietta under the name, "The Preacher". Fun to shoot. I have played around with 20 gr. FFFG and 25gr FFFG of Pyrodex 'P'. It's very hard to come by real black powder around here. I have a sick feeling any lack of accuracy is on my part, not the revolver's or the powder used. Enjoy it.

You can actually use #11 caps on the #10 nipples by pinching the open end slightly before putting them on the nipple. It' a pain in the [behind] but it will get you shooting. I've tried using replacement #11 nipples and they work better than pinching the open end of the cap, but not much better. I was very fortunate to find two tins of #10 caps and they work beautifully. I think they were the last two in existence.

 

[Cadmandu]

I like the preacher but I forget what the difference is. I read something that I dont understand. This guy said that shooting a handgun in sandbags causes a disturbance in the accuracy if the barrel is resting on the stand or bag. So he said you can plant the butt end of the grip in the bag but let the barrel float. What do you ins think of that.

 

[CyrusP]

Cadmandu, I find when I’ve done exactly that, I tend to vertically string my group more. I don’t like planting the butt and hanging the barrel for that reason but you might have better results.

 

[William Lincoln]

Great all around shooter. Goon's has a base pin that resists binding with fouling. Also, so
far the mobil 1 grease packing is working well for me. He started that labor saving
practice. I load 30grs 3f or 25grs 4f. Do not go off of me. Try the 3f as recommended above.
Key is go do a bunch of shooting with different combinations until you hit the sweet load.
A good revolver, with developed load, is a great "force multiplier" available to you.

 

[Cadmandu]

Can anyone tell me the part numbers that I need for the three brownell screw drivers I need for my 58 pietta 44 cal
Also if I buy bees wax and crisco or tallow how do you mix them. Do you heat them first.

 

[Grenadier1758]

You heat them in a double boiler so the wax and oils get hot enough to melt, but not to scorch.

One sauce pan of water to set a second sauce pan with the wax and greases and oils.