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Trade Gun
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Buck Conner
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That's funny, but true with seeing how some take care of their goods, guns included.
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I brown 'em all; I like the look better. Long ago went to the trouble of stripping the blue from a TC Hawken, and browning it. Also replaced the screw adjustable sight with a Hawken ramp type. Just prettier. I also find no fun in trying to keep a white barrel etc. from getting rust spots and discolouring over time.
Buck Conner
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yes CURLY and ERMA, first used an ITALIAN made lock, marked LOTT, and they were very soft and didn't work, so he made the SITTING FOX and it worked. I have one of his guns in 12 BORE. for 35 yrs and it still functions just fine.
blackhorse
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I do not who ERMA is ??
Buck Conner
40 Cal
Have seen guns from them "browned" and bare metal. Probably what was ordered and how much your wanting to spend.
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Irma (ERMA) was Mrs. Gostomsky.
Buck Conner
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She was much nicer than her grumpy husband. "Curly was a piece of work" according to Hanson .....
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blackhorse
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blackhorse
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Anybody look at the lock picture from my 12 ga. trade gun ???
Buck Conner
40 Cal
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Do have a clear picture of the lock showing the stamping on the tail, front and back would help.
Here's a "Lott - Tryon" lock picture.
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Do have a clear picture of the lock showing the stamping on the tail, front and back would help.
Here's a "Lott - Tryon" lock picture.
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I did look at it. My vision has deteriorated some over the past few years, and I need to take another look when I've fired up the desktop computer, and can enlarge the image further. This little micro touch-screen device I'm on at the moment just doesn't give me a clear enough image, even with the enlargement you get by touching the thumbnail image.
However, I will say you have a nice-looking gun. There are a few custom builders out there, and yours may even be a one-off. Are there any identifying marks on the underside of the barrel, or anything written on the wood, inside the barrel channel? Any marks ao any kind on the inside of the lock plate?
Thanks for posting the picture. Any additional images you can show would be welcomed.
Notchy Bob
plmeek
40 Cal.
I enlarged the picture that blackhorse posted.
It looks like "WILSON/1821" is stamped on the tail of the lock. The letters for Wilson are not straight and look like they were stamped with individual letter stamps. This suggests to me that they were added by the builder and not necessarily the lock maker.
I compared the lock above to locks in my personal collection and to pictures from catalogs and online. I cannot find a match for it.
It's not one of the Tryon locks that Track used to sell and was cast by Pete Allen.
It's not one of Danny Caywood's locks.
It's not the "W. CHANCE & Son" lock that the Upper Missouri Trading Co. used to sell.
It is not one of the Italian made Lott locks.
It's not one of North Star Enterprises or North Star West locks.
That's all the usual suspects I can think of.
Seems like someone used to produce a Barnett lock decades ago, but I've never seen one.
It looks like "WILSON/1821" is stamped on the tail of the lock. The letters for Wilson are not straight and look like they were stamped with individual letter stamps. This suggests to me that they were added by the builder and not necessarily the lock maker.
I compared the lock above to locks in my personal collection and to pictures from catalogs and online. I cannot find a match for it.
It's not one of the Tryon locks that Track used to sell and was cast by Pete Allen.
It's not one of Danny Caywood's locks.
It's not the "W. CHANCE & Son" lock that the Upper Missouri Trading Co. used to sell.
It is not one of the Italian made Lott locks.
It's not one of North Star Enterprises or North Star West locks.
That's all the usual suspects I can think of.
Seems like someone used to produce a Barnett lock decades ago, but I've never seen one.
Thanks, Phil! That enlargement helps.
I was thinking it might even be one of the round-faced English locks from Jim Chambers, but in comparing the details, I think not:
The tail of the lock plate is tapered differently, the extension of the frizzen spring is different, and the shape of the pan bridle is not the same. I don't know what kind of lock is on blackhorse's trade gun.
This one is not even close to the one on blackhorse's gun, but it is one more trade gun lock to add to the "catalog," for future reference. This is the Belgian Trade Gun lock from Chris Hirsch:
These views are from Mr. Hirsch's website, and show the lock fully assembled. However, I think he only sells it as a parts set. I don't know how well it functions, but it looks to be an excellent reproduction.
Best regards,
Notchy Bob
I was thinking it might even be one of the round-faced English locks from Jim Chambers, but in comparing the details, I think not:
The tail of the lock plate is tapered differently, the extension of the frizzen spring is different, and the shape of the pan bridle is not the same. I don't know what kind of lock is on blackhorse's trade gun.
This one is not even close to the one on blackhorse's gun, but it is one more trade gun lock to add to the "catalog," for future reference. This is the Belgian Trade Gun lock from Chris Hirsch:
These views are from Mr. Hirsch's website, and show the lock fully assembled. However, I think he only sells it as a parts set. I don't know how well it functions, but it looks to be an excellent reproduction.
Best regards,
Notchy Bob
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Curly G made his lock because he told me Navy Arms put the prices up on him I made four' in the white' common guns a week but it took me a week to stock up two Chiefs Guns they being more work but he expected to pay same price . Irma sorted that out & I never made any more. But I did earlier sell him a 12 bore TG the barrel blued & proofed in Birmingham though I note it as a Leman Beech stocked along with a 20 bore common gun browned .Again Brum proofed I bought 12 bore barrels still have some but made up others that never left UK as shot guns when I stock up the 24 bore proofed & Breeched Spider sight ect that will make five' ch[efs ' far as I recall .
Rudyard
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Hi Dave Person! Your photo of that 1770 era English rifle sideplate had my head spinning when I saw it! I used that very same pattern plate on an ash stocked jaeger type rifle I built a couple years ago. Kind of makes my Germanic gun a bit of a MUTT 
Buck Conner
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You folks showing different trade guns, bore sizes and misc. other parts is neat to see. Now I'll throw one in that will make you scratch your heads. Charles Hanson tried to buy this one for the museum back in 1975 (couldn't make a deal with family).
A North West gun in 50 caliber smoothbore, an early one often seen in gun shows, new condition apparently unused found in Denver Colorado area seen for several years. Very plain but sturdy walnut stock, antique rust blued barrel and lock, trigger guard stained dark with time, brass dragon and buttplate nailed on like many of the originals. Hanson thought it was built for a woman or a young man.
The family said they would be contacted by collectors several times a year about selling this gun. Last we heard it had gone to Quebec to a new home in the 80's.
Enjoy the reproduction by Doc White 2021, this NW trade gun will be sold by Track of the Wolf very soon. A GRRW Collectors Association firearm [GRRW.CA GBW NW 01].
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You folks showing different trade guns, bore sizes and misc. other parts is neat to see. Now I'll throw one in that will make you scratch your heads. Charles Hanson tried to buy this one for the museum back in 1975 (couldn't make a deal with family).
A North West gun in 50 caliber smoothbore, an early one often seen in gun shows, new condition apparently unused found in Denver Colorado area seen for several years. Very plain but sturdy walnut stock, antique rust blued barrel and lock, trigger guard stained dark with time, brass dragon and buttplate nailed on like many of the originals. Hanson thought it was built for a woman or a young man.
The family said they would be contacted by collectors several times a year about selling this gun. Last we heard it had gone to Quebec to a new home in the 80's.
Enjoy the reproduction by Doc White 2021, this NW trade gun will be sold by Track of the Wolf very soon. A GRRW Collectors Association firearm [GRRW.CA GBW NW 01].
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