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This is tongue in cheek. Somebody is having issues and a new lock is recommended, which they install. Accuracy is an issue and a new barrel is suggested and purchased.

At what point do they no longer have the same make/model/manufacturer they started with?

The stock is still original. Or trigger guard. Or ramrod.

:p
 
Should have tried refurbishing the riflings before giving up on original barrel. Unless it was just trashed or has bulge. I did 2 lately and it improved the accuracy considerably.
But if you are rebarreling it's really no different. Just replacing worn or damaged parts. I mean putting brake pads on a ford doesn't make it a toyota.
 
This is tongue in cheek. Somebody is having issues and a new lock is recommended, which they install. Accuracy is an issue and a new barrel is suggested and purchased.

At what point do they no longer have the same make/model/manufacturer they started with?

Probably the old saying applies....Lock, Stock, and Barrel

It would depend on the replacements....
If you had as my cohort had, a salvaged Jap Bess, and the lock was in terrible condition, and was replaced with a barely used Jap Bess lock..., it's still a Jap Bess. If his barrel hadn't turned out to be serviceable, and I had replaced it with another used Jap Bess barrel, it would still be a Jap Bess. If the stock was replaced with a Bess stock from Dunlap Woodcraft, it would still be a Jap Bess...but not with "all original parts". ;)

So I'd say if two of the three above parts are from the same maker for the same model of a gun or rifle, it's probably still that item. On the other hand, if you take my Frankenbess project, where I have a Dunlap stock, a Jap barrel and a Persoli lock, an after market Bess rammer, and I'm going to use a LLP butt plate and side plate, while using a Pedersoli trigger guard, trigger, and ramrod thimbles....

LD
 
SOOOO...
if i have an 1839 Tower lock, butt plate and barrel, 1853 enfield trigger, repro bess ramrod pipes, and trigger guard, a home made steel rammer, a home-made brass nose cap and a home made walnut stock, and they all work together, what is it?
 
SOOOO...
if i have an 1839 Tower lock, butt plate and barrel, 1853 enfield trigger, repro bess ramrod pipes, and trigger guard, a home made steel rammer, a home-made brass nose cap and a home made walnut stock, and they all work together, what is it?

Period correct.
 
I think if you change one component it is a "modified XYZ", for example modified T/C. Once you change more than one component there is not a lot of credit due the original manufacturer. You can't say your "CVA" is reliable and accurate if it has a RPL lock and GM barrel. It is misleading as far as the credit due for the accuracy and reliability. I think you could/should name the original component and cite the new parts. For example: "a CVA stock with a LPR lock and GM barrel", or a T/C lock on a PR stock with Colrain barrel. What if you change it all? For example I had a T/C Renegade. I change the barrel to a GM barrel. Then I changed the lock to a L&R RPL. Then I restocked it with a Pecatonia River stock. Now, all these parts are "Renegade" replacement parts (and supposedly drop-in, NOT) but there is only the trigger group left of the original T/C Renegade. Some people still want to call it that, however in person they do not recognize it as such at all. It really is a custom assembly (but not a custom build).
 
I think if you change one component it is a "modified XYZ", for example modified T/C. Once you change more than one component there is not a lot of credit due the original manufacturer. You can't say your "CVA" is reliable and accurate if it has a RPL lock and GM barrel. It is misleading as far as the credit due for the accuracy and reliability. I think you could/should name the original component and cite the new parts. For example: "a CVA stock with a LPR lock and GM barrel", or a T/C lock on a PR stock with Colrain barrel. What if you change it all? For example I had a T/C Renegade. I change the barrel to a GM barrel. Then I changed the lock to a L&R RPL. Then I restocked it with a Pecatonia River stock. Now, all these parts are "Renegade" replacement parts (and supposedly drop-in, NOT) but there is only the trigger group left of the original T/C Renegade. Some people still want to call it that, however in person they do not recognize it as such at all. It really is a custom assembly (but not a custom build).
I would more closely call it a “parts build” personally.
Walk
 
My old hunting buddy is a parts build. Pecatonia River walnut half stock, GM .54 rb twist 32” percussion barrel, TC lock and trigger, sand cast steel butt plate and trigger guard. My first attempt at anything outside of a Lyman GPR kit. Not pretty but solid and reliable! A more perfect home built poor boy plains rifle cannot be had. Has made lots of meat, whitetail, mullie, bear and moose, with moose being the first thing collected.
Walk
 
I think if you change one component it is a "modified XYZ

AH but the problem is, a lot of the hand build originals, didn't have standardized parts. Does the LLP Bess, aka The King's Musket when retrofitted with a metal rammer, become a "modified" LLP Bess? OK so what happens if it came from the supplier with a metal ramrod, back in the day?

if i have an 1839 Tower lock, butt plate and barrel,
Sounds like a "tower" musket to me. IF it's an Enfield lock, and an Enfield barrel (and an Enfield stock) it's an Enfield..., perhaps a "non-typical" Enfield, but it's an Enfield.

LD
 

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