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I just finished writing a bunch of my early experiences but decided It read like excerpts from a book about Lincoln.
I was pleased at the number of posts I got from people who seldom or never post at all.If you get consistent information from a limited source who has had some excess you will do better than getting your advice from a whole bunch of often disagreeing folks.. There are so many folks who proudly claim they are using my suggestions and then go on in the rest of the post that they use very little of what I found to be an amazing discovery.

I can determine

Someone commented bout some problems about dealing with different folks.
I quickly learned that many men strongly resent any advice you might suggest as an attack on their manhood.
"By Gawd I am a man's man and you can't tell me anything about rifles and shooting."
Masculinity has little or nothing to do with rifles and so forth. Percey Dovetonsils could shoot as well as the alleged John Wayne if he does the correct thing.
Someone also pointed out that women can be great marksmen because they listen and pay attention.

So it goes

Dutch Schoultz
 
Don't know why so many folks can have a hard time listening to advice, even if they choose not to use it. Sometimes it's their loss.

I have enjoyed the couple times in my life when guys were ignorantly dismissing my input and ate a good feed of crow after.
 
Don't know why so many folks can have a hard time listening to advice, even if they choose not to use it. Sometimes it's their loss.

I have enjoyed the couple times in my life when guys were ignorantly dismissing my input and ate a good feed of crow after.


So true. Good information is just that, and no one is being forced to use it. Sadly, some are hostile to improvement.
 
I remember one particular karate student of mine. A technique he'd been having trouble with frustrated him for months. Each time I helped him I'd use a different tip, example, analogy, etc, hoping something would finally help. Then one day while coaching him I said something that "clicked" with him and he immediately understood. Advice is fine, take it or leave it. But sometimes one little thing that's brought up will be the one thing that opens a door. And this "one thing" can even come from a tyro.
 
I just finished writing a bunch of my early experiences but decided It read like excerpts from a book about Lincoln.
I was pleased at the number of posts I got from people who seldom or never post at all.If you get consistent information from a limited source who has had some excess you will do better than getting your advice from a whole bunch of often disagreeing folks.. There are so many folks who proudly claim they are using my suggestions and then go on in the rest of the post that they use very little of what I found to be an amazing discovery.

I can determine

Someone commented bout some problems about dealing with different folks.
I quickly learned that many men strongly resent any advice you might suggest as an attack on their manhood.
"By Gawd I am a man's man and you can't tell me anything about rifles and shooting."
Masculinity has little or nothing to do with rifles and so forth. Percey Dovetonsils could shoot as well as the alleged John Wayne if he does the correct thing.
Someone also pointed out that women can be great marksmen because they listen and pay attention.

So it goes

Dutch Schoultz
Hi Dutch. I don't mean to jump into the middle of this post or the discussion that's going on, I would just like to comment and say of the years I spent helping to teach a junior rifle club, I can definitely state that the girls out-shot the boys practically every time, by the spring of the year, when the course was over. They would listen, he would do what you suggested, and they would do well.
Squint
 
Hi Dutch. I don't mean to jump into the middle of this post or the discussion that's going on, I would just like to comment and say of the years I spent helping to teach a junior rifle club, I can definitely state that the girls out-shot the boys practically every time, by the spring of the year, when the course was over. They would listen, he would do what you suggested, and they would do well.
Squint
SQUINT,
I JUST FOUND YOUR AUGUST POST TODAY
I am glad to see your experience with girls outshooting the boys tends to agree with my experience. The boys might do better if they listened and followed directions as well.
Any advice given to boys is a threat apparently to their man or boyhood
When you are married you realize how nit picky the ladies can be, particularly when describing your shortcomings you can see if they applied that highly detailed attention to the tiniest speck of advice they are going to be amazing. The heavily outnumbered army had female snipers.
Dutch Schoultz
 
You guys are on to something here, and it's fundamental between the genders.

Shooting is sort of a "man's sport" or man thing. The male ego in a man's sport is sometimes difficult to overcome in the student. A lot of guys feel like because it is a man thing, they ought to know everything--sort of a phallic thing when it comes to a gun.

By contrast, women entering in to a man's realm, aren't handicapped by what their ego's say they SHOULD already know, and are much more open to coaching, and better learners.

By contrast, if we go in to a woman's "realm"--say flower arranging or interior design. Most guys are going to be smart enough to seek coaching or advice (or take it) from a woman far more readily than they would from another man. Women surely WON't take coaching from a man there though.

Of course there are exceptions to everything, but this is a good starting point.
 
I have to agree with what's been posted... men, particularly young men, are all knowing for most part (my disclaimer).
I was too up until I'd run into a problem and only then seek guidance! Now, before I get into something, I research it quite extensively, then muddle through what I've found out and see what works for me... saves LOTS of time that way!!!

Dutch, I have to say that your method has saved me hours of trial and error! If I was to try to research all the different aspects of what makes BP The most accurate, I'd still be out there trying different ways.

Thank you for cutting down and smoothing out my learning curve. The older I get, the more humble I've become and know how much I DON'T know!

God bless,
Rodd
 
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