Chiappa 2-band rifled 1842 .69 rifled-musket?

[Stantheman86]

I noticed in the manual that came with my Chiappa CS Richmond rifle, that Chiappa has a "check out our other fine muzzleloading firearms " and they list a 33" barrel 1842 .69 musket with rifling and rear sight.

This would definitely be one of the neatest firearms in existence, if it exists or can be made to order .

The 3-bander 40" rifled-musket is something I definitely plan to own but a 2-bander just seems like it would be a lot of fun. Just the right size to not be unwieldy but all the fun of launching .685 Minies.

 

[springfield art]

Chiappa used to be Armi Sport. Some time ago, it seemed to be hard to find the 2-banders.
Don't know what the situation is on them presently. I have the 3-bander, it's a top-notch replica.

 

[hawkeye2]

Taylors & Co. no longer lists a 33" 42 smooth or rifled, possibly discontinued. It wouldn't be difficult to cut a 40" down.

 

[dave951]

That would be a blast to shoot and I'll bet the recoil is a tad more than a 58.

 

[Gun Tramp]

The Armi Sport/Chiappa 1842 3-band rifled or smoothbore are 42" barrels; I use the smoothbore and as with Stan, the shorter model was shown in the manual. Their current website includes an 1863 Zouave .58 smoothbore. For very lethargic pheasants.

 

[hawkeye2]

"Their current website includes an 1863 Zouave .58 smoothbore. For very lethargic pheasants."

Once you started the swing you couldn't stop.

 

[springfield art]

The smoothbores were offered for re-enactors that would only use blanks; easier to clean.Can use as shotgun if needed. I was thinking of having my '42 Srpg. 69 cal. repro shortened; It can be done as Hawkeye says; I have gunsmith familiar with BP guns who has shortened 2 or 3 muzzleloaders for me. Need to replace sights, etc. I'm glad guys brought this up, I've thought about this .More likely to shoot it. Enfields also offered in smoothie for the enactor crowd.

 

[dave951]

I shoot a chopped 42 smoothbore in North South Skirmish Competition. During the War, damaged guns were often sent to arsenals for repairs and reissued. In the case of my gun, the Macon arsenal chopped a number of 42s to 30in barrels making for a short, handy almost carbine like smoothbore. After tuning, my 42 Armisport Macon is capable of putting 10 shots into a playing card at 25yds. Smoothbores are a whole different animal from the rifled guns. Getting them to shoot sometimes involves howling at a blue moon, a complete conpendium of invective curse words, and often just dumb luck spawned out of frustration. But when you find the load, it's allll worthwhile.

 

[Rat]

Sounds like a nice gun (33" rifled) for launching round balls for hunting.

 

[springfield art]

I shoot a chopped 42 smoothbore in North South Skirmish Competition. During the War, damaged guns were often sent to arsenals for repairs and reissued. In the case of my gun, the Macon arsenal chopped a number of 42s to 30in barrels making for a short, handy almost carbine like smoothbore. After tuning, my 42 Armisport Macon is capable of putting 10 shots into a playing card at 25yds. Smoothbores are a whole different animal from the rifled guns. Getting them to shoot sometimes involves howling at a blue moon, a complete conpendium of invective curse words, and often just dumb luck spawned out of frustration. But when you find the load, it's allll worthwhile.

Wow! Sounds great! I didn't think about the CSA arsenals doing this, but makes sense. Now you guys have gotten me in going ahead and 'shortening' my rifled '42. BTW, I've always admired the NSSA for keeping alive the art & science of these old arms; the researching and rescuing that's gone on over the years is truly admirable. I did Rev War enacting for about 10 years, the CW drill & march was a little too fast & complex for me!

 

[dave951]

Come on over to the NSSA. We don't drill one little bit.

I used to reenact CW back in the day. We used to refer to the RevWar guys spectator battles....

Amble
Amble
Shoot at bird
Huzzah
Amble forward
Take hit in stately manner
Fall so as not to soil your tunic

 

[springfield art]

Come on over to the NSSA. We don't drill one little bit.

I used to reenact CW back in the day. We used to refer to the RevWar guys spectator battles....

Amble
Amble
Shoot at bird
Huzzah
Amble forward
Take hit in stately manner
Fall so as not to soil your tunic

HA! The focus of NSSA is competition, I just like shooting casually. Again, the science and art that the NSSA has resurrected and nurtured, studied, researched, is a great complement to our collective History. I mean to get to Winchester, maybe this year, just to stroll the vendors' row and smell lots of blackpowder smoke! Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to pick up my tunic from the dry cleaners!

 

[Steve Blancard]

I picked up one of those 1847 marked Armi sport 33" short rifles 6 or 7 years ago. They marketed them as "Fremont rifles". It was a beauty, but I eventually let it go. I'm kicking myself now. I'd like to find another if anyone has one to sell.

 

[Griz44Mag]

Close enough?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/838871678

 

[dave951]

Close enough?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/838871678

Looks like he's asking a premium just because it's been "defarbed". That would only mean something to a reenactor who's seriously into being as authentic as possible. It doesn't mean anything has been done for accuracy. So choose your comfort level.

 

[springfield art]

HA! The focus of NSSA is competition, I just like shooting casually. Again, the science and art that the NSSA has resurrected and nurtured, studied, researched, is a great complement to our collective History. I mean to get to Winchester, maybe this year, just to stroll the vendors' row and smell lots of blackpowder smoke! Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to pick up my tunic from the dry cleaners!

Well, dry cleaning was invented in Paris around 1860, so that's period-correct!

 

[springfield art]

View attachment 19474 View attachment 19475 I picked up one of those 1847 marked Armi sport 33" short rifles 6 or 7 years ago. They marketed them as "Fremont rifles". It was a beauty, but I eventually let it go. I'm kicking myself now. I'd like to find another if anyone has one to sell.

Yikes, friend! I saw one of those at Cabela's Hamburg several yrs. ago and was not interested at the time. I have a "correct" 3-band rifled, but am tempted to shorted the bbl.; my gunsmith is well versed in the BP trade, and has shortened several guns for me. As we age, those looong barrels are a grind! That was clever marketing, Fremont!

 

[gemmer]

The Fremont was an issue rifle built to equip troops involved in the Fremont Expedition.

 

[Stantheman86]

Not long ago Midway had a sale on both 3-band rifle and smoothbore 1842's for $750......also a gun shop near me can get them for $850 or so.

Asking $900 for a used Armi Sport 1842 is crazy, the "defarbing" looks like a dude took a Dremel and buffed off the markings. You can see the rough spots.

That 2 band "Fremont " 1842 is neat , Armi Sport should just make these and sell them along with the 1842's.

 

[springfield art]

The Fremont was an issue rifle built to equip troops involved in the Fremont Expedition.

Was that indeed an actual item? I thought it was a modern marketing ploy to sell them to guys that wanted them for other than re-enacting. If it was something they actually made at the time, I'd be interested in reading about them. Thanks! Come to think of it, I'd like to see if there's any books here at the library on the Expedition. Good cue!