Pietta 1851 Navy cylinder does not rotate when cocking?

[Zonie]

I am all for getting my money's worth and warranties, but the part is only 5 or 6 bucks, order by phone or on line and in a week you will be shooting again. Its going to take longer than that to ship the pistol back to the company. But you are right arcticap I also would like to know how long it will take the company to send it back.

Your right about being able to buy a replacement part but what your buying is the whole "hand" with the spring installed into it.

While it is easy to replace the existing hand with the broken spring in it with the replacement part, the replacement will be longer than the existing one.
That will make it try to turn the cylinder past the place where the cylinder bolt locks up the cylinder so that the chamber is aligned with the bore.
The "fix" involves removing a little bit of the material on the end of the hand so it stops turning the cylinder at the same time that the cylinder "lock up" happens.

I don't know if railshot wants to go thru that process. I do know that not everyone wants to have to machine a new part to get their gun working so for them, sending it back to be fixed is probably the best solution.

 

[PluggedNickel]

PluggeNickel, now your are just making me jealous..... heheh.
Nice Walker!
Me thinks me needs one now.

I have noticed your avatar previously, and I think I am going to have to talk to my mom about loaning me a picture she has of me probably taken right around the same time yours was.
Paladin, Gunsmoke, Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers, Zorro, and oh so many others influenced where I am at today.....
Heheh, good stuff!

Yes, I get the green eye of envy on this site all the time looking at some of the wonderful hand made masterpieces some of the members make! I watched all those great old shows as well!

 

[PluggedNickel]

Your right about being able to buy a replacement part but what your buying is the whole "hand" with the spring installed into it.

While it is easy to replace the existing hand with the broken spring in it with the replacement part, the replacement will be longer than the existing one.
That will make it try to turn the cylinder past the place where the cylinder bolt locks up the cylinder so that the chamber is aligned with the bore.
The "fix" involves removing a little bit of the material on the end of the hand so it stops turning the cylinder at the same time that the cylinder "lock up" happens.

I don't know if railshot wants to go thru that process. I do know that not everyone wants to have to machine a new part to get their gun working so for them, sending it back to be fixed is probably the best solution.

Well said Zonie. Like Juice Jaws, I do that kind of stuff myself all the time, but not everyone does. And it is not a drop in part as you state, it must be fitted, and timing will be off if not done properly.

 

[PluggedNickel]

Friend of mine received a Pietta 1851 Navy from the last Cabela's sale that also came with a broken trigger bolt spring. I also bought my Pietta 1851 Navy during that sale (June or July 2018). Since I work overseas, and really wanted to shoot this gun on my last vacation, and as a preventative measure I ordered a Wolff - EMF 32297 wire bolt spring from Wolff springs.

I do a little fluff and buff on all my Pietta Colt revolvers using the following treatises as a reference point:
http://www.theopenrange.net/articles/Tuning_the_Pietta_Part_One.pdf
http://www.theopenrange.net/articles/Tuning_the_Pietta_Part_Two.pdf

The only thing I mostly do for a new, or new to me Pietta, is fit the bolt to the locking notches on the cylinder. I do this by swiping the bolt on some 600 grit black wet/dry sandpaper. Testing fit of the bolt head in each cylinder notch for tightness.

FYI - When I completely disassembled my 1851 Navy, the screw that holds the bolt / trigger spring in there, was just about impossible to get out. I found I needed to mount the frame in a padded bench vice and put significant pressure on the screwdriver to get that to loosen. I munged the heck of the head getting that thing out!

I figure whoever installed that screw at the factory is probably responsible for this wave of broken trigger bolt springs. My factory spring was fine but I replaced it with the Wolff wire spring.

I did note that the spring on the hand was installed a little bit cockeyed with a sharp corner sticking out. I sanded that corner down. Everything else looked good to go.

Tip - I put a dab or TC Bore butter on the arbor and find that significantly helps the function of the gun.

Here's a crappy group of mine from initially shooting the gun. I blame the flyers on myself. This was shot 2 hands standing at 21ft with 20gr Graff's FFFg, Hornady .375 diameter round ball, and lube over ball. Remington #10 Caps.

Those articles on tuning the Pietta are great. I did a similar job on the short arbor on my Walker. You can see what I did in this post.

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...works-for-all-colt-open-top-revolvers.111245/

I also listed the the links from the Open Range for tuning the Uberti's in this post.

 

[Juice Jaws]

Your right about being able to buy a replacement part but what your buying is the whole "hand" with the spring installed into it.

While it is easy to replace the existing hand with the broken spring in it with the replacement part, the replacement will be longer than the existing one.
That will make it try to turn the cylinder past the place where the cylinder bolt locks up the cylinder so that the chamber is aligned with the bore.
The "fix" involves removing a little bit of the material on the end of the hand so it stops turning the cylinder at the same time that the cylinder "lock up" happens.

I don't know if railshot wants to go thru that process. I do know that not everyone wants to have to machine a new part to get their gun working so for them, sending it back to be fixed is probably the best solution.

Maybe I luck out, I just change mine and all I had to do was file the stud down a little bit so it would side into the hole in the hammer. Ever thing lines up.

 

[PluggedNickel]

PluggeNickel, now your are just making me jealous..... heheh.
Nice Walker!
Me thinks me needs one now.

I have noticed your avatar previously, and I think I am going to have to talk to my mom about loaning me a picture she has of me probably taken right around the same time yours was.
Paladin, Gunsmoke, Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers, Zorro, and oh so many others influenced where I am at today.....
Heheh, good stuff!

Here is another picture of the Walker you might like. This one will be killing you! LOL

GoWacky has sent his Traditions Crockett in .32 caliber back to the factory for warranty repair several times, with a couple of weeks or less for turn around. They finally got it so it fires consistently with the last time. But, the wait wasn't too bad. I don't think it will be too bad for you Railshot.

 

[railshot]

PluggedNickel,
Very nice, and yes, it is killing me..... heheh....

I am now beginning to see the need to have at least one handgun for each of my rifles.
That means I need at least 7 more pistols.... hmmm, time to start looking for a Walker I guess.
Any suggestions?

And....... all day today I thought it was Sunday until 4:30 pm my time.....so I never called Tradtions....
Retirement is nice and all, but I sure am starting to loose track of the days of the week!

 

[AZbpBurner]

Years ago, I got an 1858 Remington 'Sheriff's Model' on sale from Cabelas. Fit & finish was above average, and the grip wood had some excellent stripe in it. Unfortunately the cylinder wouldn't turn & the hand spring was binding. I could have easily gotten a replacement hand & spring from VTI, but I wanted these fools to do all the work - plus they paid shipping both ways.

After 4 months, there was no word on my gun, so I began calling. I spoke to sales drones; I spoke to managers. They knew I was annoyed.

SO --- they sent me a brand new replacement. It came complete with the cruddiest pallet-wood grips ever made. It was as though they did it deliberately.

After nearly 5 months of contact, discussion and waiting, they managed to return my grips, in exchange for the trash wood ones.

I will NEVER return any gun that has a problem that I can fix myself. If I do, I'll keep the wood ...

In fact, the only cap & ball revolver parts I've ever needed were all hands & springs. They're so easy to order online & delivery so I can do the work myself is really quick compared to send-in repair.

 

[PluggedNickel]

PluggedNickel,
Very nice, and yes, it is killing me..... heheh....

I am now beginning to see the need to have at least one handgun for each of my rifles.
That means I need at least 7 more pistols.... hmmm, time to start looking for a Walker I guess.
Any suggestions?

And....... all day today I thought it was Sunday until 4:30 pm my time.....so I never called Tradtions....
Retirement is nice and all, but I sure am starting to loose track of the days of the week!

I think Uberti is the only one currently making the Walker, but I could be wrong about that. Used to be some ASM, and Colt did a re-issue for a short while.
I know what you mean about losing track of what day it is or the date. My wife and I do it all the time now that we are both retired. We just laugh about it, unless we go to the post office on Sunday to buy stamps, because we didn't realize it was Sunday. LOL

 

[railshot]

I think Uberti is the only one currently making the Walker, but I could be wrong about that. Used to be some ASM, and Colt did a re-issue for a short while.
I know what you mean about losing track of what day it is or the date. My wife and I do it all the time now that we are both retired. We just laugh about it, unless we go to the post office on Sunday to buy stamps, because we didn't realize it was Sunday. LOL

Heheh, starting to happen to me a bit too often now, but beats the alternative (working and knowing the day of the week) by a mile!
If yours is an Uberti Walker, I like it.... time to look around for one now.

Update for the Navy......
I talked with Traditions this morning, they gave me an RMA number and I have FedExed it back to them this morning.
They should have it by Friday.

Traditions said the turn around will be 15 working / business days, so it is looking like it will be April something before I get it back.
Hopefully they will do better than that, but we shall see.
It would appear this is a pretty common issue with these as they did not hesitate to give me an RMA.

 

[Juice Jaws]

15 day turn around is not bad at all, hope you get it that soon

 

[PluggedNickel]

Good deal. Hopefully it will be back sooner, but the weather is cold again right now so no troubles. I'm turning into a fair weather shooter the older I get. LOL I used to hunt is the worst of weather, be out all day in it and loved it. Heck, a lot of the old mountain men were old before their time. It was a rough, hard life, if a bar' didn't get them, or a hostile of one kind or another, the pox or pneumonia, something would take a many of them out pretty young by today's standards. They just didn't have the medicine we have to day. The trappers weren't around other humans much, so that probably kept them healthy. I bet they hated going around people too, except for rendezvous of course!

 

[railshot]

Very true about the hard life, and the unsavory end for many of these folks PluggedNickel....

A few months ago I started doing some serious family history searches and found this about my ggg grandfather.

"Notes for STEPHEN REVELS:
STEPHEN REVELS was born 1747, and died 1803 in Georgia Rockies.
He married DELILA BULLARD 1778 in Cherokee Lands.
Stephen Revels was born in an area that was within the Creek Nation, west of Cherokee Lands in the 1700's.
He spoke the Cherokee language and kept Cherokee customs until his death.

Stephen's Indian name translates to the english language as "Long Time Hunter".
He lived on lands that are today known as North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Georgia and Mississippi.
He hunted and fished as a means of supporting his family.

More About STEPHEN REVELS:
Cause of Death: Froze to death".

I think if I had to actually choose a way to go, this would be one, but not at the age of 56 years..... far too young for that by today's standards!

 

[railshot]

Just a quick update:
My Pietta has already reached Newark, NJ and is about 2.5 hours away from Traditions and is already headed out to Connecticut.

Wow, FedEx is pretty speedy with just a standard priority delivery considering I did not get it out until late yesterday morning.
I think I will use them from now on for other things.

 

[railshot]

Traditions signed for the Pietta at 3:26 pm today..... now to wait for a response.....

In the meantime, I got's me one of these tonight.... heheh.....!

Used, but not abused.
I think I might be a "Remington" guy now.
Cylinder is so easy to remove even a cave man can do it....

 

[PluggedNickel]

Very nice! I'm rather fond of Uberti's INOX RNA's. I just happen to have a pair myself.

 

[45man]

The Remington is a fine gun but use round balls only. We found the chambers are so close together that the next is subject to flash from the gap and will eat a bullet nose. Of course the blast will remove lube too so we use a BPCR lube in revolvers, it is thicker.
Now it might sound funny but use STP oil treatment on cylinder pins and the ratchet. It prevents wear and actually keeps fouling out.

 

[45man]

I have the Ruger Old Army and my friend has the Remington buffalo hunter. Both have taken deer cleanly. They are as good as a modern magnum.

 

[Grenadier1758]

Railshot, I see what appears to be target sights on your new Remington SSNA. That will be a fun gun to shoot and should be very accurate.

 

[railshot]

Railshot, I see what appears to be target sights on your new Remington SSNA. That will be a fun gun to shoot and should be very accurate.

That is one of the reasons I wanted this particular one.

So far it is quite comfortable to hold, and once I lube it up a bit (thanks for the tip 45man) it is going to be a fine handgun.... probably my go to when I start shooting again come spring.

Edit: PluggedNickle, where did you get that beautiful box from. I really like it quite a bit!