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There has been a world of discussion as to whether the old boys used separate priming horns, how about this item?

"The SOUTH-CAROLINA Gazette
January 20, 1757

Robertson & Baillie, At the corner of Elliott street on the Bay, Charlestown, HAVE just imported in the Alexander, Capt. Daniel Curling, from London”¦. steel watch chains, cartouch boxes, and priming flasks covered with leather, large ditto spectacles , nutmeg graters,..."

Spence
 
Sounds like they did use them :thumbsup: I'm sure it was the same back then as it is now... "to each his own" :hmm:
 
Robby said:
I can't even imagine how you find this stuff Spence, but :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hatsoff: !Robby
Send me a dollar and I'll induct you into the Brotherhood, teach you the password and the secret handshake, and then I can tell you without having to kill you. :haha: :haha:

Spence
 
Rifleman1776 said:
But....was "priming" used in the same context as we do today? Uh-Oh! :shocked2: Another :stir:

yes it was :grin:

The Sportsman’s Companion; or, an Essay on Shooting ”“ By A Gentleman ”“ 1783

Chapter 10 ”“ Shooting Apparatus recommended, method of loading, and Precautions to used in returning Home.

Of these there are great variety, and most commonly are chosen more from fancy than for utility; some use spring steel chargers for their shot, I own they are handy and convenient, but, as they weigh almost as much as the shot they contain, I would recommend and prefer the pudding shot bag, with a brass head, and a horn or leather powder horn with a spring top; such as have the spring stopper are best; those with the stopper outside waste and spill the powder. ”“ I disapprove of loading out of the top of the horn, it is both uncertain and dangerous, by the powders clogging between the stopper and the head of the horn,, and thereby often admits a greater quantity of powder than you intend, - I will here endeavor to explain my method of loading, and hope that habit will make it both expeditious and safe to such as chuse to practise it: - Being provided then with a powder horn and pudding shot bag, as above described, the former in a pocket on my right side with the cord belonging to it on the left shoulder; my shot bag on the left side flung with its strap on the right shoulder; my bird net fixed pretty high, to avoid catching in the brush and cover, with a certain number of square bits of soft gray paper run through the middle with a thread and sewed to a convenient part on the right breast of my coat; a turnkey and a couple of flints in my pocket. ”“ I first of all, prime, 2dly, fill the head of my horn with powder and empty it into the top of my shot bag, (Which should contain the exact charge I intend, and serve as a measure for powder and shot and be equal to the full of my powder horn top) put my horn, empty the powder in my gun, take one of my square papers for wadding, and, ramming it down, I, 3rdly, fill my measure with shot, put it in the barrel, take another bit of paper, ram it down, and, returning my measure and rammer, I am ready. All this may, at first, appear complex and tedious, but, by a little practice, will become easy, expeditious and safe: I have invariably loaded in this manner; I found that I was in general, as quick as others. ”“ Many of the best more experienced shots, object to priming first; I cannot see wherein the danger consists, unless it may be supposed to proceed from the heat of the barrel, or something touching the trigger while you are loading. How must it be with the Army, who always prime first, and fire very often so quick, that they can scarcely hold their pieces in their hands, with the heat, yet it’s extraordinary to see one of them going off whilst loading, without some other cause than the heat of the piece. ”“ Bad powder leaving a sulphurous sediment in the breech of the barrel, is a more frequent cause of such accidents. I have often seen a battalion from five to seven hundred men, fire sixty rounds on a field day, without one accident of this nature; though I once saw a whole Grenadier Company’s pouches on fire, by a spark communicating to a broken cartridge in one of the men’s pouches; it was in the instant of firing and the pouch was open. However I shan’t insist on the propriety or impropriety of priming first or last, only insist that priming first is most expeditious; and Gentlemen seldom fire so quick; when fowling as to engender any accident of this kind; - it never happened to myself; - every one’s own discretion may guide them in this particular as they please.
If you have a servant, when out shooting, let him carry your shot bag, (those that I have described contain 4lb. some more some less) and you may carry half a dozen steel spring chargers in your waistcoat or jacket pockets, which, being double, will contain twelve charges. Many use cartridges containing both powder and shot. I would recommend your carrying a few charges of large shot, No 3 and 4, as many opportunities frequently offer making use of them. ”“ I shall conclude this chapter, by hinting, that the portable pocket bottle, covered with twigs, and the collation of cold meat and bread, or biscuit, are always safe and useful companions, as well as the sportsman’s knife and fork.
It is needless to caution you against carrying your piece home loaded; it is dangerous and should always be guarded against, by either drawing the charge or firing it off.

i snagged this writting from a post in the smoothbore section.

-matt
 
My guess is that they used the same grain powder for both tasks so I do not know what they would gain. Are you sure that they were not small day horns or meant for small pistols? Geo. T.
 
Here's an extract from a letter from Major George Scott, 40th Foot , CO. of the Light Infantry Battalion for the February 1758 Louisbourg expedition to Lord Loudoun CIC in America ( this letter referes to kit he is recomending for rangers and light troops ) .Extract

The powder horn recommended carrying pistol powder with it's more combustible grain. Easily ready to hand and slung off the left shoulder under the right arm pit, the horn is a quicker and more convenient way of priming one's musket, and is not subject to burn priming( flash in the pan ) or miss fire .It also prevent's the most common fault which men are subject to in time of action Vis , that of spilling 1/2 of their cartridge of powder and at times more in priming and shutting their pans. The result of such nervousness or sloppiness on the part of a soldier in action means that the ball will not be sent with 1/2 the force it is intended or anything near the distance it aught to go .

That should clear it up some :thumbsup:
 
very interesting, this implies that at least some people thought it was a good idea too use a finer grain powder for priming. doesnt seem like much has changed. some people using specific priming powder while others use the same powder.

something to think about, if musket powder durring these times was indeed on par with Fg powder of today then it would not be the most ideal for priming. sure Fg works but nothing like FFFg or FFFFg.

-matt
 
I would never have my servant carry my gun stuff.
He's all right for answering the door or bringing me my night slippers or perhaps my night time toddy (although he is never allowed to mix the spirits himself).

My Gun Bearer on the other hand, carries all of my shooting supplies, cleans and reloads my arms between shots and is permitted to mix my 'after hunting' toddy.
He also carries the game I took back to the house.
Wouldn't want to get blood on my velvet jacket, you know. :)
 
In regards to the quote that I posted on the smoothbore board. All Flintlocks need priming, the question is whether the shooter has a separate horn with a finer grade of powder that is used specifically for filling the pan. The Gentleman author was going out of his way to eliminate excess items that needed to be carried while hunting.

I didn't see anything in his quote that indicated that he had two horns.

He was probably a British Officer. The British Army always primed with the powder that was in the cartridge. Again, no separate priming horn.

Many Klatch
 
READ MY REPLY and back up for spence 10 :doh:
The French military in late 1600s early1700 carried a priming horn on the front strap of their cartridge box .A historion and collecter in the UK has 3 of them . :shake:
 
Does anyone have any documentation on when the British Army stopped using separate primers? This is from Bland’s 5th edition (1743).
X Prime 2 Motions Hold the Firelock firm in the left Hand and with the right turn up the Primer and shake as much Powder into the Pan as is necessary Then tell 1 2 and bring it back to its former Place behind the Butt and remain in that Posture till the following Word of Command
Bill
 
It was a Light Inf. thing,mainly F&I AWI not sure but died off with the 1800s and birth of the Rifles as specials, they carried horns too, and todate the horn is still on their Regt. badge.(
Line Inf. primed from the cartridge)
 
They were used in the old world prepatched ball in hunting rifles, the ball was started into the muzzle with a mallet ,then a short starter and mallet , then r/rod and mallet.
 
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