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    Plastic shotcups/wads?

    http://www.muzzleloadingshotguns.com/articles/eleypatentwirecartridges Dad used to make these up for me and they worked quite well.
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    And to make money, you have to have product that your customers want. There are numerous instances in the recorded history of the fur trade where customer feedback left the frontier and caused changes to be made in the ensuing product. if slings were wanted, or needed by the actual customers...
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    I would say that the majority of the Buckskinning and Reenacting/Living History hobby, as well as a good portion of the North American museum community uses the words "Trade Gun" to refer to guns made specifically for Trade and Diplomatic actions for the Indigenous peoples of North America...
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    You do have a point. We are never going to be able to be "Perfect" we just have to be as right as possible by following what the evidence shows, and not make stuff up to fit how we think it should have been
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    A guy on Facebook, Greg Shipley has them all as public photos on his page.
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    That is a good question. When I think I might want to do something, Instead of figuring out how to do it, I start first with "Was it done" I look first at artifacts, not just complete artifacts, but also those recovered from the ground. So regarding slings on Northwest Trade guns. First...
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    1757 Spain Infantry Musket

    I dont have to say its not well made, someone else has made that point. For what its worth, they do make a much better Hawken style rifle than any of the other mass produced Hawkens out there.....
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    It not "Slings" that I dislike, I actually do like them, and have them on weapons that historically we know had them. Its the things that people are pulling out of their 4th point of contact that I dont like. "Backwoods" embroidered, wax impregnated haversacks on longhunters, trekkers pots and...
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    Ron, The rise of the deductive reasoning crowd (thesis/cult?) is what has caused me to leave volunteer public education behind. Period records, artifacts, images are now no longer held up as the gold standard as they are to confining to the feelings and desires of people. The wheels have come...
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    [/url] It's not a dumb idea, a sling is quite useful, its just an idea that makes sense to us, but apparently was not done in the period given the evidence we have. When you reach that fork in the road you can either just go ahead and put a sling on it or you can further explore the issue...
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    What it, instead of loading from the front, we take and stick the cartridges in the back end of the gun........ Its a slippery slope, Id rather just stay up here on the ground we know is solid.....
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    What you view as somehow holier than thou, I see it not as bragging, but trying to help people skip all my screw ups. Just because I made them, I dont see why anyone else should have to make the same mistake. Your living, breathing proof that no good deed goes unpunished
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    You win buddy, I just cant compete in your league. I will have to console myself to paddling an actual birchbark canoe, carrying an American made Northwest Trade gun with no sling and snapping an occasional photo. One day perhaps I will be good enough to paddle a plastic canoe, carry a...
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    Being an Indian, or at least mixed race, the most likely to have a North West gun, and need something other than a weapon mounted sling to carry his gun..... The other images were of Mountain Men, carrying most likely production rifles and they have slings on them, If not factory installed...
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    Now granted this thread is more or less about Northwest Trade guns, but here are a couple interesting images French soldiers doing their thing, slings on muskets. Courier de Bois doing their thing, no slings.....
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    I dare say you will end up with a halfstock Italian trade gun before you are done. That wood is going to give way. Like it or not there is a bit of science to where one puts a sling swivel. It needs to go thru a lug, and the swivel needs to rest on a ramrod pipe for optimal use. Your way...
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    :idunno:
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    Funny how memory is, I do remember that discussion, and my take away was that it was a very narrow time frame, in one ethnic group in one part of the world that the evidence says their knit hats were all of one color and when presenting yourself to the public and conducting educational...
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    Im far from an expert self appointed or otherwise, but I do tend to spend my time on the side of facts and not suppisition. Now I have no idea about the militia laws of every colony, but at least in Virginia, there was a market for military stands of arms that was the price of being exempted...
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