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Login Name Post: BP vs Black MZ        (Topic#308487)
Colorado Clyde 
Cannon
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Colorado Clyde
10-12-18 12:24 PM - Post#1706703    

    In response to azmntman

  • azmntman Said:
+1

Matches or flint n steel?



Matches are fine, just no gasoline to start it....


 
Crewdawg445 
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Crewdawg445
10-12-18 02:49 PM - Post#1706712    

    In response to azmntman

Flint and steel! Much more effective than matches, I'll allow sulfur matches though!
Listen, or your tounge will make you deaf.


 
azmntman 
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azmntman
10-12-18 02:55 PM - Post#1706714    

    In response to Crewdawg445

Sounds good. And Clyde, I'm not totally P/C stupid! Everyone knows gas was made way to early to count. Thats why I use kerosene to start the fires.

 
FerricOxide 
Pilgrim
Posts: 4
10-12-18 03:33 PM - Post#1706718    

    In response to torpedo

Too bad it's being discontinued as it seemed to be a decent powder and at the $10/lb price point you can do a lot of shooting for a little bit of money.

 
Colorado Clyde 
Cannon
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Colorado Clyde
10-12-18 03:43 PM - Post#1706719    

    In response to FerricOxide

If Alliant or someone other than Goex started producing real BP domestically, the price of the real stuff would undoubtedly drop to those same levels.....Then everyone could afford to shoot the stuff....


 
FerricOxide 
Pilgrim
Posts: 4
10-12-18 09:33 PM - Post#1706739    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

Nice to dream but it seems like the market is just too small, just like how nearly all sporting goods stores/gun stores don't stock real powder for various reasons. Not enough demand to make it viable it seems.

 
Crewdawg445 
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Crewdawg445
10-13-18 07:21 AM - Post#1706758    

    In response to FerricOxide

  • FerricOxide Said:
Nice to dream but it seems like the market is just too small, just like how nearly all sporting goods stores/gun stores don't stock real powder for various reasons. Not enough demand to make it viable it seems.



Partially right... Regulation is more correct. Real black is far more "volatile" than a substitute, therefore the ATF imposes restrictions and haz fees upon it to protect citizens from the horrible, nasty barrel eating substance that will blow up if you look at it wrong...
Listen, or your tounge will make you deaf.


 
azmntman 
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azmntman
10-13-18 09:08 AM - Post#1706770    

    In response to Crewdawg445

will blow up if you look at it wrong...

Yes...must be licensed to handle BP for sale,....we need a marriage license too

 
Scrim45 
32 Cal.
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Scrim45
10-13-18 10:12 AM - Post#1706774    

    In response to azmntman

Interesting analogy?!?

 
Crewdawg445 
58 Cal.
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Crewdawg445
10-13-18 10:55 AM - Post#1706781    

    In response to azmntman

  • azmntman Said:
will blow up if you look at it wrong...

Yes...must be licensed to handle BP for sale,....we need a marriage license too



I can see the similarities between the two! lol
Listen, or your tounge will make you deaf.


 
FerricOxide 
Pilgrim
Posts: 4
10-13-18 02:02 PM - Post#1706806    

    In response to Crewdawg445

Here in WA state our old explosives law says 5 lbs max at home before you need approved magazine. I can imagine that wasn't much of an issue for most shooters when you could buy the stuff in person.

Complicates buying BP and having it shipped because you can only get it shipped in 4 or 5lb increments.

Edited by FerricOxide on 10-13-18 02:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Zonie 
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Zonie
10-13-18 06:46 PM - Post#1706845    

    In response to FerricOxide

No problem.

Just tell the officer, if he happens to ask about having too much black powder,

"Well, it's obvious officer. I don't have any other black powder sitting around the house which is exactly why I just spent a small fortune ordering the 5 pounds of powder in this box."
Just Jim...



 
torpedo 
36 Cal.
Posts: 56
10-15-18 12:21 AM - Post#1707028    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

Looks like I stirred up a hornets nest here. Still not sure what a fake muzzleloader is. Black MZ works in my T/C Hawken 54, 50 and 45, my Lyman 54 Plains pistol and mt 44 Walker, and my CVA 50 pistol, so I'm just hoping they are real MLers, I would hate to have to can them all.

 
Colorado Clyde 
Cannon
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Colorado Clyde
10-15-18 01:04 AM - Post#1707030    

    In response to torpedo

I'm glad it works for you.....But "works in" really isn't my point...I'm sure someday they'll figure out how to make them work with hydrogen or something else.

I'll still advocate real BP....It's what makes a muzzleloader a real muzzleloader. Same goes for lead balls.



 
DeeTV 
Pilgrim
Posts: 1
10-15-18 12:49 PM - Post#1707096    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

To OP where did you hear about BlackMZ being discontinued? I can't find anything on this. Can anyone else?

 
Colorado Clyde 
Cannon
Posts: 15524
Colorado Clyde
10-15-18 01:45 PM - Post#1707103    

    In response to DeeTV

  • DeeTV Said:
To OP where did you hear about BlackMZ being discontinued? I can't find anything on this. Can anyone else?



No, I haven't been able to verify it either....But I can dream....

I think it's case of "fear marketing" to spur sales.


 
Okie Hog 
40 Cal.
Posts: 382
10-15-18 01:46 PM - Post#1707104    

    In response to DeeTV

i can't find where it's being "discontinued" either.

The APP factory in Colorado where Black MZ is manufactured is still operating. Sportsman's Warehouse is currently selling Black MZ.

 
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