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Hi all! I understand that flint wallets, small leather wallets to hold spare gunflints and tools for servicing the cock etc. are popular these days. But, are such items period correct (PC)? If so, what did they carry in them? The same things we do today?

Just curious. Take care! :thumbsup:

-S.P.
 
I don't know about how representative they are in period documents, museum collections, etc. My personal experience has been that I don't need to carry but one extra flint, since I'm only out for a week end at most, and a Sunday morning at least. They just seem to me to be one more piece of truck and plunder that could be left behind in such cases. Now if you were out for say a month or six weeks hunting then maybe. In my experience I don't see the need for them.
 
Hopefully George will chime in with original documentation.

I do not know if the original idea of the flint wallet was to protect the edges of the flints from being damaged OR preventing the sharp edges from cutting/slashing your fingers when digging into a Shot Pouch OR both at the same time.

The below link shows some original ones: http://woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/2015/12/flint-wallets.html

Scroll down for a repro one in this link to: Flint Wallet (NLR) Ref: S150 Leather flint wallet to hold six flints and pocket for turnscrew and pricker, made from the traditional pattern of c1790 (This one was used by the British Military)
https://www.peterdyson.co.uk/acatalog/FLINTLOCK_ACCESSORIES.html

I know some folks just carry two or three in a small leather or even cloth pouch in their bag.

I've made about dozen over the years of slightly varying styles and depending on what the owner wanted.

Lately I have been making flint wallets to hold just two or three flints, BUT with individual flint leathers I have already wet molded in the top jaw of my lock for each flint.

I originally got the idea for that from many years ago when I competed in the Northwest Gun Aggregate and once you crossed a specified line - you could not go back and get something you had forgotten. You had to use what you had on your person or do without. The flints with the pre-fitted/wet molded were much easier and faster to use to replace a flint in those matches. I imagine it would also work well in Woods Walk matches.

Gus
 
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Interesting topic, I've never even considered carrying my loose flints in and organizer. I leave them loose in a top tray in my shooting box. No wonder I always need touch up the edges with a pressure flaker! :rotf: To soon old ............. to late smart I guess!
Makes sense and seems very practical!
 
Very glad to see historical evidence for these flint wallets. I have a bag for each gun and each bag has a little wallet (I got Ed Wilde to make them when he was still going to fort Fred). The wallets that I had made hold two flints & a turnscrew filed to fit the cock screw of the gun in question.
 
Cruzatte said:
Thanks, Gus. I stand corrected. Much appreciated.

You are most welcome.

I think I first learned of Flint Wallets on my first trip to Colonial Williamsburg in 1975 while visiting the Saddler's Shop and taking notes on as many items they were making as possible. Not sure if they were mentioned in Sketchbook '76 as well?

Though I can't document this, I suspect they were more common for the military than civilian use for much of the 18th century - though that is just speculation on my part.

I imagine a civilian going out just for a day's hunt would have checked to ensure the flint in the top jaw was sparking correctly before he loaded his gun and if not, either he knapped the edge to ensure it did or replaced the flint then. Unless the civilian was going to take a whole bunch of shots while hunting, he may or may not have carried an extra flint, though an extra in the Shot Pouch would usually have sufficed for most period day hunts if the first flint broke.

I also recall reading that during inspections of local Militia, they were required to have at least one or two extra flints when they stood inspection, but I can't place my hands on that documentation right now.

I have seen flints severely chip or break years ago when shooting the Northwest Trade Gun Aggregate and one time I ran that shoot at Friendship for a couple days. Since once the competitor crossed the line and could not go get a replacement flint, most competitors had at least one replacement flint on their person. The idea of not being allowed to "re-cross the line" to get something one forgot, was to replicate what would happen during the period if you forgot something when in the wilderness.

Actually from the two days of Volunteer Running the Northwest Trade Gun match, I learned quite a lot in my early years of shooting flintlocks. Though the rules did not require it, when I ran the Match, I stopped competitors and reminded them once they crossed the line, they could not go back for something they forgot. So I always suggested they do a final check of their gear before they crossed the line. Most of the competitors really appreciated that extra warning/suggestion.

Still, I saw what happened to others when Murphy got to dancing on them during such matches. Some forgot some important things and lost points because of it. One guy forgot his throwing knife, so he had to forfeit his three knife throws. I whispered to a brand new shooter before he crossed the line and asked how he was going to compete with knife and tomahawk? (He looked down and much to his embarrassment, he had forgotten both, so he went back to camp to retrieve them before he crossed the line.) Some things broke and I saw some ingenious fixes at times. One guy forgot bird shot to shoot the three clay pigeons and he wound up shaving pieces off a ball with a knife to shoot with. He actually hit one clay pigeon of the three that way with his own modified version of "buck and ball."

The most remarkable thing that happened those two days was when Doc Andy Baker showed up to shoot. Doc Baker was a Gynecologist in civilian life and often commented he wasn't an outlaw biker, but rather as he said, "I are a real Mountain Man." Doc was much respected both as a person and for his period knowledge and shooting skills. Yet this day, Doc Baker looked in REALLY rough shape. I asked him if he really felt good enough to shoot and suggested he might want to wait a few hours or till the next day. He informed me that if he was going to shoot the match, he had to do it then, but he did grin and commented he had had a little too much of "passing the jugs" the night before. Well, it turned out that was probably the worst Doc Baker had done in that match for years and my heart went out to him. I offered my condolences and with a twinkle in his eye, his reply was, "Well, it seems today I could not hit a bullseye at two feet even if it had hair around it...." Took me a few seconds to get the joke and when I did, I almost broke up laughing then and many times since.

Gus
 
Excellent information, thanks Gus!

Interesting topic as I have a nice little flint wallet myself. Keep three flint and leathers along with a knapping hammer. It indeed has saved me a few times having a spare flint. The method of carry is nice versus having them in a little leather poke, likely the edges would chip banging into each other.
 
I carry 6-8 flints in a soft leather bag kept at the bottom of my bag. Tied tightly, the flints cannot shift or bang against each other and no damage has happened to the edges. It's worked for me...
 
I have one given as a gift years ago. Since it was a gift that was the only reason I carried it in my shooting bag. But, I never could figure the logic of having one. In later years I just kept a couple loose flints in the bottom of the bag.
 
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