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Wick Ellerbe 
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Wick Ellerbe
09-19-18 09:13 AM - Post#1703223    

    In response to Spence10

It has been my understanding that neck knives may have been somewhat popular with the French boatmen and trappers. I have read where some of the NDNs would only use their neck knives for war, and not for everyday use. I really don't know, but Ken Hamilton could probably give you the best info on the trade scalpers, which were the common neck knife.

 
NWTF Longhunter 
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NWTF Longhunter
09-19-18 10:45 AM - Post#1703240    

    In response to Wick Ellerbe

I won't argue whether neck knives were used back when or not. I figure men back then were as practical as men are today so they probably used neck knives.

Some day I'm gonna count how many times I use a knife during the day and my neck knife is the handiest and most accessible.

 
BrownBear 
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09-19-18 10:55 AM - Post#1703244    

    In response to NWTF Longhunter

Hang one on your belt at the same time and see which one you reach for most often.

That's the real test. And that's why all my neck knives have migrated to a drawer.
"Lay in the weeds and wait, and when you get your chance to say something, say something good."
Merle Haggard


 
Black Hand 
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Black Hand
09-19-18 10:58 AM - Post#1703245    

    In response to NWTF Longhunter

  • NWTF Longhunter Said:
I won't argue whether neck knives were used back when or not. I figure men back then were as practical as men are today so they probably used neck knives.


And yet, that is exactly what you have done by making this post.

Regardless of what WE in the modern world find practical, we should try to emulate what WAS done rather than what we think may have been done based upon our modern mentality and preconceptions...

 
NWTF Longhunter 
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NWTF Longhunter
09-19-18 11:47 AM - Post#1703249    

    In response to Black Hand

  • Quote:
Regardless of what WE in the modern world find practical, we should try to emulate what WAS done rather than what we think may have been done based upon our modern mentality and preconceptions...





People don't change, from the time an ancient practical mind figured out how a lever would throw a spear farther and how bending a limb and tying a gut on each end would throw a smaller spear even farther, men have progressed to space travel.

Don't try and convince me that neck knives weren't used, I have too much faith in my forefathers intelligence.

And Brown bear, I DO wear a belt knife AND a folding knife but a neck knife is more easily accessible. Mine are NOT in a drawer. My favorite NK is one by Wick Ellerbe



 
Rifleman1776 
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Rifleman1776
09-19-18 11:48 AM - Post#1703250    

    In response to Spence10

  • Spence10 Said:
I'm still not clear, were neck knives worn by whites? I've see a lot of re-enactors of the fur trade era with them, but is that correct?

Spence



I'm one that believes folks, white, red, whatever, over the years were innovative and made or did things that made life easier. It is incomprehensible to me that, somewhere along the line, a real mountain man or Indian never rigged up a neck knife for themselves. As for the painters, some historians put great value on what they depicted. I don't as I see in many of those paintings like horses taller than teepees, three pole teepees, etc. Not accurate historical depictions, IMHO.

 
Black Hand 
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Black Hand
09-19-18 12:31 PM - Post#1703262    

    In response to Rifleman1776

  • Rifleman1776 Said:
  • Spence10 Said:
I'm still not clear, were neck knives worn by whites? I've see a lot of re-enactors of the fur trade era with them, but is that correct?

Spence



I'm one that believes folks, white, red, whatever, over the years were innovative and made or did things that made life easier. It is incomprehensible to me that, somewhere along the line, a real mountain man or Indian never rigged up a neck knife for themselves. As for the painters, some historians put great value on what they depicted. I don't as I see in many of those paintings like horses taller than teepees, three pole teepees, etc. Not accurate historical depictions, IMHO.


By this logic, they should have had AR-15's in the 19th century and steam locomotives during the time of the Greeks. After all, they were innovative, had the technology and manufacturing knowledge and it would have made their lives easier.

Modern thinking and knowledge applied retrospectively makes certain people believe that ALL things were possible in the past. Historical facts have shown us this IS NOT the case.

BTW - we know they had horses and Tipis. Why? Because historians have collected the facts - the same facts so casually dismissed unless they support a person's personal bias. One can't just cherry-pick what they like and dismiss what doesn't agree with their preconceptions...

 
Spence10 
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09-19-18 01:15 PM - Post#1703271    

    In response to Black Hand

You really need to broaden your base of references, Black Hand. If you look in the right place, documentation for most anything is possible. In this instance I recommend Terry Johnston's 9-book series on the Rocky Mountain fur trade. I'll betcha old Titus "Scratch" Bass wore a neck knife.

For the naive and humorless among us, the above is my feeble attempt at irony. I sincerely hope no feelings were hurt by this post. Sort of.

Spence

 
Kansas Jake 
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09-19-18 01:19 PM - Post#1703272    

    In response to Black Hand

In these discussions I will have to agree with Black Hand. We really need some evidence of trappers and non NDNs using them. We talk about innovating, but from experience, many times it is hard to get people to adopt innovation. The fact that most of us here use things that are long out of common usage is an argument against innovation. Think about how many industries or processes continue to be done in a certain way because "We've always done it that way."



 
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