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Help identifying this firearm, approx value?

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GladiatorSloth

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Hi everyone, I am looking for any help I can get identifying this firearm that I inherited. It was my grandfathers, not sure where he got it from, and was given to me by my grandmother. He had it displayed over an inactive fireplace for as long as anyone can remember.

He always said that it was civil war era and made fairly locally in Massachusetts. I did a little digging online and found some similar models that are flintlock but I think this is Cap and Ball.

I will link some pictures, thanks in advance.
https://m.imgur.com/a/4bjsIWX
https://imgur.com/a/YhvLHLB

Stamped 1809 Sutton
 
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per Frank M Sellers book:

The only Sutton in that time period appears to be George Sutton, Pittsburg PA

Next closest is John Sutton, 1819 Philadelphia PA

The photo's show it a percussion conversion from a flintlock. Also looks Fowler to me.

There also shows a reference to a Waters, Asa 1742-1813 from Sutton MA.

You are in MA so that may be it also no idea how they marked them and there my be other names and stuff on the barrel.
 
You have a Waters and Whitmore 1795/1808 US contract musket that has been converted to percussion and cut down. They were marked Sutton as they were made in Sutton, Mass.. Practice at the time was to mark the lock with the town it was made in rather than the maker's name(s). Most of its value was lost during the alterations.
 
Whoa !

It's too bad it has been converted to percussion and cut down.

Had it been one of the few US Contract Muskets that avoided the conversion it would be very valuable.

As it is, it's value isn't that great but as a piece of American history it is still interesting.
 
And that to me is a bit of sad. The cut down is a piece of the history of the gun, and on a deeper level reflects-economic, social concepts.
And to the altering is much like the hot rods of the 1950s. Poor boys making something grand with left overs, often with the help of a vet who knew how to tinker because his life depended on it.
 
Ah that’s too bad about the value, still I’m glad to know what it is and where it comes from, cool little piece of history, guess I will mount it in my house myself. Thanks guys
 
Me Likey....

I do 1812 history altered or not I like stuff from that period.
Thanks
 
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