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Login Name Post: Delrin as ramrod material        (Topic#307824)
nhmoose 
58 Cal.
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nhmoose
07-12-18 02:19 PM - Post#1693461    

    In response to SDSmlf

  • SDSmlf Said:
Think about sandpaper. Hard material (aluminum oxide for example) embedded in softer material. (paper or delrin) rubbing against harder material ( barrel steel for example). And the winner is??


Same as hardwood, it also picks up abrasives same as anything else.

 
Colorado Clyde 
Cannon
Posts: 14352
Colorado Clyde
07-12-18 02:24 PM - Post#1693463    

    In response to nhmoose

  • nhmoose Said:
  • SDSmlf Said:
Think about sandpaper. Hard material (aluminum oxide for example) embedded in softer material. (paper or delrin) rubbing against harder material ( barrel steel for example). And the winner is??


Same as hardwood, it also picks up abrasives same as anything else.



I always wipe my metal range rod before running it down the barrel....When in the field, I run my wooden rod between my fingers...This cleans the rod, alerts me to any defects in the rod and acts as a bore guide.


 
Boomerang 
40 Cal.
Posts: 291
Boomerang
07-12-18 02:27 PM - Post#1693465    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

  • Colorado Clyde Said:
So....You're using the arrow as a range rod then?....and not as a ramrod mounted under the barrel?



I actually use it for both, but I screw a wooden ball on it for range use so it is a little more comfortable on the hand for constant shooting.

  • Quote:
the grit that is collected by the wood will wear out your muzzle if you shoot a lot.



  • Quote:

I've been trying to validate that myth for over 40 years....With no success.....



I guess you will have to keep trying.


Edited by Boomerang on 07-12-18 02:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Colorado Clyde 
Cannon
Posts: 14352
Colorado Clyde
07-12-18 02:31 PM - Post#1693467    

    In response to Boomerang

You should post a picture of this rod. I thinks folks would be interested to see it.


 
Boomerang 
40 Cal.
Posts: 291
Boomerang
07-12-18 02:58 PM - Post#1693468    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

  • Colorado Clyde Said:
You should post a picture of this rod. I thinks folks would be interested to see it.



Yep, I keep thinking I need to do that, but I haven't got around to it yet.

 
zimmerstutzen 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4830
07-12-18 04:13 PM - Post#1693475    

    In response to Boomerang

I made Delrin rods since the 1980's. They are a bit too flexible for very small bores. For 45 cal and up they are great. I still use a stainless steel range rod for most shooting, but the Hawkenstein, cobbled together from many parts of dfferent countries and manufacture, all round car trunk carried hunting gun gets a delrin rod under the barrel no matter which barrel is on it. Delrin can get very slippery when fingers get greasy from patch lube. Hence a pair of pliers or multitool in my gear.

 
Rifleman1776 
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Rifleman1776
07-13-18 10:50 AM - Post#1693530    

    In response to zimmerstutzen

  • Quote:
Delrin can get very slippery when fingers get greasy from patch lube.



My Delrin rods that are used on the rifle, as opposed to handled range rods, get a light sanding. This takes away the smooth shiny surface and gives a better hold. And, it makes the rod less obvious as a synthetic.

 
Redstick Lee 
40 Cal.
Posts: 145
Redstick Lee
07-13-18 08:15 PM - Post#1693587    

    In response to Rifleman1776

I have a Delrin rod somewhere (under my couch I think) that's never been used........bought it decades ago....don't care for the feel......
use wooden rods for everything except deep cleaning....teflon coated stainless (Parker Hale) for that.
--------------------
Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner...
Liberty is a well armed lamb !


 
stubshaft 
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Posts: 405
stubshaft
07-14-18 02:04 AM - Post#1693607    

    In response to 40 Flint

I thought I was the only one using arrow shafts as ramrods. I usually splice it by going through my junk box and find a suitable piece of shaft that is a slip fit in the GT shaft and epoxy it in place.

 
Mike Brines 
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Posts: 5848
Mike Brines
07-14-18 10:37 AM - Post#1693629    

    In response to stubshaft

I think you guys worry too much. The Bevel Brothers did a study afew years back, and with a machine they made ran different material ramrods in a barrel thousands of times and could find no wear. The machine intentionally rubbed the muzzle the way a person would, and no wear. Do you think you shoot more than our ancestors did? Don't think so.

 
nhmoose 
58 Cal.
Posts: 2061
nhmoose
07-14-18 03:26 PM - Post#1693651    

    In response to Mike Brines



 
Ibnid 
40 Cal.
Posts: 115
Ibnid
07-14-18 06:42 PM - Post#1693670    

    In response to SDSmlf

40" rods from gold tip shafts can be fabricated with 2 broadhead adapters and a piece of threaded rod. screw the 2 shafts together and cut to length.
Or use a short section of dowel and 2 part epoxy to join them.


 
Smokey Plainsman 
45 Cal.
Posts: 856
07-15-18 07:15 PM - Post#1693730    

    In response to Ibnid

I use wood, as the old timers did.

With proper technique and good straight-grained hickory, it's a non-issue as far as breakages go. Those complaining of shattered rods often use ramin or other junk wood or wood with bad grain runnout and improper technique. Leave the delrin and other polymers in the 20th and 21st centuries. For our purposes, we don't need anything other than God's wood.

 
zimmerstutzen 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4830
07-16-18 04:32 PM - Post#1693817    

    In response to Mike Brines

I have know a few match shooters who have worn out barrels, not necessarily at the muzzle, but to the point that the barrel near the muzzle was a several thousands wider than the barrel near the breech. Figure a guy who shoots 200 shots a weekend over 20 weekends a year over 10 years. Thats 40,000 shots. I doubt Dan'l ever did that.

 
necchi 
Cannon
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necchi
07-16-18 09:18 PM - Post#1693842    

    In response to Mike Brines

  • Mike Brines Said:
The Bevel Brothers did a study afew years back, and with a machine they made ran different material ramrods in a barrel thousands of times and could find no wear.


That's really not true,, they ran the test with wood, fiberglass and steel,, and low and behold found steel to cause the most damage.
I don't much care what folks say,, Delrin is till a wet noodle rod and have tossed everyone I've ever came across.
I use steel and fiberglass without problem. I also use a muzzle cone.
If someone is going to be silly enough to rub a dirty rod of any type up and down their rifle barrel(?) Then they will need to deal with what happens rubbing dirt up and down their barrel,

Here's and issue many deal with;
"I need to speed load,, to get a second shot!!"
Uhm, no ya don't. It's a muzzle loader, your first shot was good.
JohnT
Molon Labe~


 
Boomerang 
40 Cal.
Posts: 291
Boomerang
07-17-18 11:23 AM - Post#1693874    

    In response to necchi

Tip Curtis told me that some of the target shooters at Friendship replace their barrels every year. I don't know how they can wear out a barrel in a year especially when they are using rod guides.

 
Rifleman1776 
Cannon
Posts: 14421
Rifleman1776
07-17-18 11:37 AM - Post#1693878    

    In response to Boomerang

  • Boomerang Said:
Tip Curtis told me that some of the target shooters at Friendship replace their barrels every year. I don't know how they can wear out a barrel in a year especially when they are using rod guides.



Serious target shooters can be a very OCD bunch. Some have rituals that are quite strange before they load or shoot.

 
Richard Eames 
69 Cal.
Posts: 3621
07-17-18 11:40 AM - Post#1693879    

    In response to Boomerang

  • Boomerang Said:
Tip Curtis told me that some of the target shooters at Friendship replace their barrels every year. I don't know how they can wear out a barrel in a year especially when they are using rod guides.




He would not be trying to sell barrels would he?????

Kind of like each year he would say "I am not coming back to Phoenix for the Winter Nationals"????????????

Nah, such an honest vendor.


 
Richard Eames 
69 Cal.
Posts: 3621
07-17-18 11:42 AM - Post#1693880    

    In response to Rifleman1776

  • Rifleman1776 Said:
  • Boomerang Said:
Tip Curtis told me that some of the target shooters at Friendship replace their barrels every year. I don't know how they can wear out a barrel in a year especially when they are using rod guides.



Serious target shooters can be a very OCD bunch. Some have rituals that are quite strange before they load or shoot.



That mean a new barrel each year????

Kind of expensive would it not be????




 
Zonie 
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Zonie
07-17-18 01:27 PM - Post#1693894    

    In response to Richard Eames

I don't doubt that some target shooters replace their barrel every year but it seems like a stupid idea to me.

After a years competition, their barrels are finally broken in and they should know exactly what powder/ball/patch load it shoots best with.

Replacing the barrel with a new one makes it necessary to break in the new barrel so it doesn't rip patches and any stresses that were in the new barrel can relax and stabilize.

Every barrel is different so a new barrel will require the shooter to go thru the whole process of finding out which patch, which ball and what powder and powder load will give the best accuracy.

As we all know, this is a lengthy process and requires shooting hundreds of shots if the shooter wants any chance of winning.
Just Jim...



 
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