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Feltwad 
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06-12-18 12:14 PM - Post#1689439    


The big bore guns are more associated to goose shooting and other large wild fowl They are mainly used on the fore shore at geese that flight out too their feed grounds in land, bore sizes range from a modest 8 to the mighty 4 bore .The only other shoulder gun that is used on the foreshore are the bank guns which the largest is a 2 bore and is the largest shoulder gun. The charge for a 2 bore bank gun can be 12drms plus of powder to 6 oz of shot They are shot from the sand dunes or a sea wall at mostly waders feeding along the incoming tide and when within range the shot was discharged in the flock, shot size varied depending on the quarry with the largest BB
Big bore guns are mostly S/B but some are built has D/B mainly 8 bore with the odd 6bore and percussion .Other guns used for wild fowl were the punt guns these were large bore guns and were fired from a boat known has a punt they were better known has tools of a trade for which these fowlers made a living but this is another later thread
Feltwad
A Stand Of Fowlers

6bore Tubelock

A D/B 6 Bore



Edited by Feltwad on 06-12-18 12:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Coot 
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06-12-18 12:52 PM - Post#1689445    

    In response to Feltwad

Very nice!

 
RJDH 
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06-12-18 11:43 PM - Post#1689510    

    In response to Feltwad

Another grand set, Feltwad!

I have never seen a back action tubelock before. Thank you for showing it.

Also I don't think there were very many double six bores produced. It looks a lovely gun.
Does that flint have a dog-lock ?
Can't see it too well but to me looks like it.

Congrats on them all, and for taking such good care of them!

Richard.

Edited by RJDH on 06-12-18 11:46 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Redstick Lee 
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Redstick Lee
06-12-18 11:59 PM - Post#1689514    

    In response to RJDH

beautiful!
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Feltwad 
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06-13-18 12:50 AM - Post#1689516    

    In response to RJDH

  • RJDH Said:
Another grand set, Feltwad!

I have never seen a back action tubelock before. Thank you for showing it.

Also I don't think there were very many double six bores produced. It looks a lovely gun.
Does that flint have a dog-lock ?
Can't see it too well but to me looks like it.

Congrats on them all, and for taking such good care of them!

Richard.


The tubelock was made by Alfred Clayton who was mentioned in Hawkers Diaries along with Joseph Manton has his Gun makers .

Better image of the bank gun showing the dog lock


Feltwad



Edited by Feltwad on 06-13-18 12:54 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
RJDH 
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06-13-18 07:08 AM - Post#1689523    

    In response to Feltwad

Feltwad,

The doglock has me a bit confused.
The fore-end with no ramrod looks like a live pigeon gun, yet the barrel is too long for such, and no-one would use an old dog-lock for this purpose. Have you any ideas why no rammer in this case?
V intriguing gun!

The stocking up on the tubelock appears a bit provincial. What do you think?

Thank you again for these photos Feltrwad!

Richard.

Edited by RJDH on 06-13-18 07:09 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
nhmoose 
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nhmoose
06-13-18 07:49 AM - Post#1689528    

    In response to Feltwad

Sweet! Thanks for the photo's

 
Feltwad 
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06-13-18 02:24 PM - Post#1689571    

    In response to RJDH

  • RJDH Said:
Feltwad,

The doglock has me a bit confused.
The fore-end with no ramrod looks like a live pigeon gun, yet the barrel is too long for such, and no-one would use an old dog-lock for this purpose. Have you any ideas why no rammer in this case?
V intriguing gun!

The stocking up on the tubelock appears a bit provincial. What do you think?

Thank you again for these photos Feltrwad!

Richard.


The dog lock bank gun never had a ramrod When I bought it from Grafton Water along with two punt guns .This gun was in a bad state the stock was almost gone with wood worm so I restocked it from the old stock dimension there was no signs of a ramrod rib or a ramrod hole in the stock and no barrel loops .The stock was true shoulder style ,it may have also been used has a small punt gun so no ramrod.

Has for the tubelock I have come across a lot of these big bore fowlers with plain stocks .We must remember that these guns are not the game gun type with fancy stocks and furniture these guns had to take a lot of punishment with mud , salt ,and such I still believe that's why they used plain wood for the stocks .
Feltwad

 
Loyalist Dave 
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06-15-18 06:18 AM - Post#1689776    

    In response to Feltwad

Love the Light Artillery!

Thanks for the photos.

I think too we sometimes forget the setting, the intended environment meant for some guns when they were built.

Consider the Swedes used the dog-lock on their military muskets into the 19th century, a good seven or eight decades after the dog-lock left standard British Army use. The Swedish muskets were even more utilitarian than even the 3rd Model aka India Pattern Bess. Why might that be?

Consider the very cold, and maritime settings where Swedish troops would contend, in contrast the British, French, German, and Spanish armies. The dog-lock has one feature that may have kept it in use in Sweden..., it is obvious to the user both by eye and by mechanics when the lock is at half-cock.

So if you have fellows going out for waterfowl, in cold and damp conditions, so wearing mits or mittens, perhaps in a small boat subject to the motion of waves when the shooter is loading..., perhaps the person who had the gun built wanted not only a large, robust lock, but one very obvious when set at half-cock.

LD

 
Rifleman1776 
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06-15-18 08:58 AM - Post#1689786    

    In response to Feltwad

Very interesting and informative post. I can't imagine shooting one of those big 'uns.

 
Feltwad 
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06-16-18 12:35 AM - Post#1689890    

    In response to Rifleman1776

  • Rifleman1776 Said:
Very interesting and informative post. I can't imagine shooting one of those big 'uns.


Another stand of Fowlers with the long barrels
Feltwad


 
Feltwad 
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06-16-18 11:54 AM - Post#1689926    

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  • Rifleman1776 Said:
Very interesting and informative post. I can't imagine shooting one of those big 'uns.


Enclosed is a image of shooting the big 4 bore at the local country fair .
Feltwad

4 Bore


 
Spence10 
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06-16-18 02:29 PM - Post#1689937    

    In response to Feltwad

This is one of the big 'uns.



Spence

 
Feltwad 
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06-16-18 03:33 PM - Post#1689950    

    In response to Spence10

  • Spence10 Said:
This is one of the big 'uns.



Spence


This is a punt gun not a shoulder fired gun. these guns are used in a punt on both the inland marshes{ings} and the double punt on the foreshore
Feltwad

 
Spence10 
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06-16-18 05:43 PM - Post#1689967    

    In response to Feltwad

  • Feltwad Said:
This is a punt gun not a shoulder fired gun.


Yes, I assumed so. I've always wondered, though, if it was made to be mounted on a boat, why did they put a regular gun stock, trigger guard, etc., on those big guns?

Spence


 
Smokey Plainsman 
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06-16-18 09:02 PM - Post#1689987    

    In response to Spence10

I've long wished Pedersoli of Italy would make an 8 gauge front stuffer side by side!!

 
RJDH 
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06-16-18 10:52 PM - Post#1689999    

    In response to Spence10

Spence,
Most punt-guns don't have a regular stock, most end about where the grip would be.

The gun is aimed by manouvering the punt with your paddles.

I do like that long bank gun, Feltwad!

 
azmntman 
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azmntman
06-16-18 11:52 PM - Post#1690002    

    In response to Smokey Plainsman

  • Smokey Plainsman Said:
I've long wished Pedersoli of Italy would make an 8 gauge front stuffer side by side!!



THAT I would HAVE to buy!

Or even a 4GA (for my moose like son and/or buddies to shoot, not me

 
Feltwad 
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06-17-18 01:59 AM - Post#1690014    

    In response to Spence10

  • Spence10 Said:
  • Feltwad Said:
This is a punt gun not a shoulder fired gun.


Yes, I assumed so. I've always wondered, though, if it was made to be mounted on a boat, why did they put a regular gun stock, trigger guard, etc., on those big guns?

Spence




There were different designs of punt gun stocks most were designed to fit into some device in the bottom of the punt and were secured with a rope I will explain this more on my next thread on punt guns
Feltwad


 
Loyalist Dave 
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06-17-18 07:30 AM - Post#1690025    

    In response to Feltwad

  • Quote:
This is a punt gun not a shoulder fired gun. these guns are used in a punt on both the inland marshes{ings} and the double punt on the foreshore
Feltwad



I thought perhaps it was a rampart gun adapted for field use by The Continental Army, later, converted to caplock.

LD

 
Feltwad 
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06-17-18 08:26 AM - Post#1690033    

    In response to Loyalist Dave

  • Loyalist Dave Said:
  • Quote:
This is a punt gun not a shoulder fired gun. these guns are used in a punt on both the inland marshes{ings} and the double punt on the foreshore
Feltwad



I thought perhaps it was a rampart gun adapted for field use by The Continental Army, later, converted to caplock.

LD


I would say It is a punt gun of a medium size by its style and used on the inland marshes {ings} for the shallow open decked one man punt .
Enclose is a image of a rampart gun used mostly on the deck of a sailing vessel or the ramparts
of defence wall

Feltwad


Rampart Gun



 
Eterry 
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06-23-18 03:12 PM - Post#1690961    

    In response to Spence10

  • Spence10 Said:
This is one of the big 'uns.



Spence



Not to kick the bear, but I read somewhere years ago the gun in the above pic was not a firing piece; but actually part of a sign to be hung outside a gun business. What would it use as a percussion cap, a blank 45 long colt??

Either way, recoil usually doesn't bother me...but NO THANKS!


 
Rifleman1776 
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06-24-18 08:01 AM - Post#1691040    

    In response to Feltwad

Quite a collection. Thanks for sharing.


 
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