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necchi 
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necchi
06-03-18 02:33 AM - Post#1687944    

    In response to running horse

  • running horse Said:
Thought about taking a thin sheet metal fire pan, it would be free and set up on a couple rocks would keep it off the ground and should be easy to drown with water as I can carry it to the creek if needed,


Oh that's cool,, you should do that,, it's olde timey, and primitive.
It's the best way to show how "they" lived using the old ways and how you can demonstrate that.
JohnT
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Black Hand 
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06-03-18 11:12 AM - Post#1687983    

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  • running horse Said:
...otherwise I will be one hungry person.


A person could do the trip on dry rations without needing to cook anything...

 
Colorado Clyde 
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Colorado Clyde
06-03-18 02:06 PM - Post#1687992    

    In response to Black Hand

A hand cart anyone?



 
nhmoose 
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nhmoose
06-03-18 04:19 PM - Post#1688010    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

Great drawing!

 
Colorado Clyde 
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Colorado Clyde
06-03-18 09:28 PM - Post#1688064    

    In response to nhmoose

Funnier still is the fact that dozens of people tried to go west on the Oregon trail, toting their goods in a wheel barrow.


 
running horse 
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06-04-18 01:10 AM - Post#1688089    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

I've done a week pulling a hand cart and it was a awesome experience, somewhat recreating a particular group that came West in them that that painting was representing. We where in the Cascades due to distance to the original trail and on living roads which aren't much better than wagon roads in some places. It worked there, not sure I would want to go cross country or up a for trail with one though.

 
Colorado Clyde 
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Colorado Clyde
06-04-18 10:05 AM - Post#1688128    

    In response to running horse

Neat!...

Any pictures?


 
tenngun 
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tenngun
06-04-18 11:15 AM - Post#1688136    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

Mormans were heavy uses of them. A man and a wife could move lots of gear, without horses or oxen. The Oregon trail was pretty flat with out a lot of uphills. There was a long slow raise in elevation but only a few places where they would have to fight a hill side.

 
Colorado Clyde 
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Colorado Clyde
06-04-18 01:30 PM - Post#1688151    

    In response to tenngun

There is a movie that a has Mormon handcart journey in it, but I cant remember the name....


 
Colorado Clyde 
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Colorado Clyde
06-04-18 01:34 PM - Post#1688152    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

Here is one, but it's not the one I was thinking of....
https://youtu.be/GpFVLOzMmpA


 
tenngun 
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tenngun
06-04-18 09:11 PM - Post#1688224    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

Was it the bio of Bringman Young made in the mid forties? It’s been a lifetime since I saw it. I grew up with a lot of mormans in my community and was taught they were the most evil of religions. I grew out of the silly prejudice in my teens but when I watched the movie in my teens I had a twinge of guilt. In my minds eye it was Henry Fonda playing young.

 
tenngun 
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tenngun
06-04-18 09:14 PM - Post#1688226    

    In response to tenngun

It was Tyrone Power in 1940.

 
Colorado Clyde 
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Colorado Clyde
06-04-18 09:30 PM - Post#1688229    

    In response to tenngun

No...It was newer movie.....There seems to be several since I went looking.....No matter it was based on the story told in the one I posted......


 
running horse 
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06-04-18 11:54 PM - Post#1688245    

    In response to tenngun

It's ok to have a twinge of guilt, I am currently looking through my family history ( when not in the 18th century) looking up info of relatives in Missouri about the to they where pushed out. Here in Idaho and Utah many people Trace family back to those that came in had carts and wagons, it would be fun to have evidence of pushing them out. Just for kicks and giggles.
Going out with the family on some prep hikes this weekend, as I haven't really been able to ware out a pare of moccasin sines yet, how to you all repair then when you do?

 
smoothshooter 
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06-16-18 09:17 PM - Post#1689989    

    In response to necchi

I would check in advance with the Scout leaders in advance on taking any big knives or a tomahawk.
Due to the current climate of political correctness that has been sabotaging the Boy Scouts, the 'hawk and knives could be a problem.

 
smoothshooter 
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06-16-18 09:53 PM - Post#1689996    

    In response to necchi

You make an excellent point Necchi, about not going full-blown primitive from the git-go.

I also wouldn't carried away with the primitive clothing, either.

Plenty of time for all that full-primitive stuff later on another non-Scout camp out for those who may be interested.

 
running horse 
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07-29-18 04:15 PM - Post#1695326    

    In response to smoothshooter

Unfortunately due to a family emergency my son and I could not go on the trip. I tried to convince Grandpa to wait another week or two but was unsuccessful. The group that do go got 7 miles into the hike and gave up hiked back to there starting point and spent the week visiting various hit so in the area.i had checked and any of the primitive gear I had they where ok with including the knives I have.I will just have to attempt to organise another trip up there in the next couple years and see if we can't make it in.
About a week before we gonna go on the trip we did a over night hike which I did using only primitive gear. My pack ended up heavier than I would have liked so I will be revisiting that in the coming weeks, the hike up ( about 4-6 miles wasn't bad at all and even in moccasins I was able to stay only a couple min behind the boys and about 5 min ahead of 2 of the other leaders my feet didn't feel bad the next morning either. That night with only the two blankets (about 9#of wool) was a bit chilly, a storm came in and winds blew about 25mph all night off the mountain top,I had a little bit of a wind break but should have done better had I had some day light when I got there. We hit the trail at about 8pm and arrived at the lake at about 10-10:30pm and set up camp and ate dinner. We broke camp the next morning around 8 and hiked back down the mountain, the hike up in moccs want bad the hike down the same trail was brutal. I ended up about 15 min behind the group and due to the rocky nature of that particular area my feet hurt pretty bad. The trail was covered in broken granite and Oakley done about 3/4" and lose with a time off stone in the 4 to 8" range and going down hill was a whole different ball game. Had I not tried to keep pace we the group I may have done better but it was enough to convince me to at least wear regular boots on the longer hike. Once we got back down the mountain I received word about Grandpa (it had been expected for weeks) and changed our plans for the 50 miler.
Next trip isn't much of a home thank heavens but I have a 3 day primitive encampment with the scouts to weekend and it sounds like we will have a big group of youth again this year so that will be great. Not all was lost there was additional experience gained and more to work on for the coming years. Like get a second truck so my horses can pack my gear and me as that has always been a pleasure.

 
Redstick Lee 
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Redstick Lee
07-30-18 01:10 AM - Post#1695368    

    In response to running horse

Sorry that you/y'all missed the trip this year but yes, it just gives you more time to sort things out and get more practice.
Sorry to hear about Grandpa too.
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Liberty is a well armed lamb !


 
tenngun 
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tenngun
07-30-18 11:55 AM - Post#1695435    

    In response to running horse

Reading that I am put in mind of my own experience. It’s easy to want to carry more then you need. My old pack was a lot heavier then I use today. Want and need is a lot different.
Moccs are good and when your used to them work well and ofcorse are hc. I do cheat on my foot ware. I use historic shoes fitted with crepe soles, and I have pads in my shoes, they serve as well as modren hiking shoes, historic soles can be slippery.
Shoes and boots were sent to rendezvous and to the trading stations, they seem to have just been sold to whites.

 
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