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Artificer 
Cannon
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05-22-18 03:10 PM - Post#1685819    

    In response to bystander12

For WBTS reenacting here in Virginia in 90 degree plus temperatures and Humiture going from 100 to 110 or more; we usually had the men wet down their shirts almost soaking wet and then put their wool uniform coats or shell jackets on, BUT ONLY BUTTON the top button of the coats and leave the rest open. The coat/jacket dropped loosely over their waist belts to allow air to circulate.

Another thing one can do in almost any historic period is to wet down one's neck cloth and have it tied loosely around the neck.

For 18th century and when wearing a Regimental and Waistcoat over the shirt and for the worst heat/humidity as in "Under the Red Coat" at Colonial Williamsburg that Loyalist Dave mentioned, I still wet down my lightweight linen shirt and my black neck stock. I used a linen front waist coat in summer as opposed to even a light weight wool front. Of course we didn't have to worry about breeches as we wore Philabegs (Little Kilts) and sure appreciated the air that circulated under it.

If I wasn't wearing a Philabeg, then I found a lightweight pair of white/off white, loose fitting linen trousers works better than most breeches.

Gus

 
Native Arizonan 
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05-23-18 01:36 PM - Post#1686010    

    In response to bystander12

  • bystander12 Said:
I usually wear white or light colors here in the desert. And all my summer hats are light color. I find the darker colors seem to make things hotter. I have a white truck and my wife has a dark blue truck--her's is much warmer when sitting for a while than mine.




No doubt. I have seen the same thing with white vehicles vs any color pigment. Even a light blue or beige will heat up way worse than a bright white.

The only advantage I can see for darker clothing is the absorption of UV rays. Nothing else makes any sense for why some would prefer black, unless they are just trying to make a point out of being tougher than the guys that wear white. Somehow I think, if that was the reason, the gene pool of those that wore black clothes would have been eliminated by now.

 
Bo T 
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05-23-18 02:00 PM - Post#1686019    

    In response to Native Arizonan

Since we can't see UV radiation, how do you know that white clothing isn't reflecting the UV radiation? Or that black clothing is absorbing the UV rays? Could be that thin, loose weave black cloth will allow just as much UV through as thin, white cloth.

 
Native Arizonan 
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05-23-18 10:20 PM - Post#1686132    

    In response to Bo T

  • Bo T Said:
Since we can't see UV radiation, how do you know that white clothing isn't reflecting the UV radiation? Or that black clothing is absorbing the UV rays? Could be that thin, loose weave black cloth will allow just as much UV through as thin, white cloth.



You can tell the difference by how your skin burns underneath the shirt.


 
Native Arizonan 
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05-23-18 10:27 PM - Post#1686136    

    In response to Bo T

Would you believe the Mayo Clinic. This is from their recommendations on how to avoid sunburn:

  • Quote:
Cover up. When outside, wear a wide-brimmed hat and clothing that covers you, including your arms and legs. Dark colors offer more protection, as do tightly woven fabrics.



https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sunburn/sympt...

 
Bo T 
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05-23-18 11:11 PM - Post#1686149    

    In response to Native Arizonan

Thanks for the reference.

 
Kansas Volunteer 
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05-25-18 03:00 AM - Post#1686312    

    In response to Bo T

Many years ago Israeli researchers found that goats with black hair stay cooler in the dessert than white goats. They placed thermometers next to the goats skin beneath the hair and found a significant difference. The black hair absorbed most of the light, converting the energy to heat before it could reach the skin. White hair didn't absorb much light allowing it to reach down to the skin before being converted to heat.

As for cars I have read when setting in sunlight the coolest cars have white exteriors and dark interiors. A Caucasian man with a black soul ought to to feel real comfy.

 
BillinOregon 
Cannon
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05-27-18 08:57 AM - Post#1686614    

    In response to Kansas Volunteer

Hmmm. Guess I should look for a tightly-woven linen shirt in a dark color for wear here in the Chihuahuan desert.

 
Ogre 
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Ogre
05-27-18 09:39 AM - Post#1686617    

    In response to BillinOregon

Let me know how that works out for you.

 
smoothshooter 
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05-27-18 03:18 PM - Post#1686658    

    In response to Native Arizonan

With me, it's not just the sun, it's temperature and humidity.
I wear the lightweight, breathable vented fishing shirts, long and short sleeved, but I'm still miserable most of the time. The sweat dripping off my forehead and running down the inside of my glasses is not fun either.
The heat gets my pulse ( and probably blood-pressure rate ) up to where I can hear it in my inner inner ears, where every beat makes a squirting or rushing sound.


Edited by smoothshooter on 05-27-18 03:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Cruzatte 
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05-27-18 08:17 PM - Post#1686690    

    In response to smoothshooter

  • smoothshooter Said:
With me, it's not just the sun, it's temperature and humidity.
I wear the lightweight, breathable vented fishing shirts, long and short sleeved, but I'm still miserable most of the time. The sweat dripping off my forehead and running down the inside of my glasses is not fun either.



Yeah, I hear you. Same in NE Kansas. Miserable is the word, and there isn't a blessed thing you can do about it. I resign myself to being uncomfortable for about 90-100 days, do my level best to stay hydrated, and try to stay out of the midday sun as much as possible.

 
zimmerstutzen 
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05-28-18 01:18 PM - Post#1686787    

    In response to Cruzatte

I lived in Miami for three years. Hot, excessively humid, in August there are thunderstorms every half hour. "Steam" rising up off the streets and sidewalks is a normal occurrence. I took a cue from the older Cuban gents. Very loose cotton, hemmed to be just waist length and worn without being tucked under the waist of pants or a belt. The sun was so hot on my skin, that I even wore loose long sleeves. When i say loose, I mean without the cuffs buttoned. When go out mowing hay in the summer sun, I often wear a loose long sleeve white shirt, un buttoned, just to drape over me and keep the sun off the skin. Whatever breeze there may be can still cool me off. Had to many farmer friends having bouts of skin cancer.

 
BillinOregon 
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05-28-18 06:11 PM - Post#1686833    

    In response to zimmerstutzen

There is something you can do about it. Move to south central New Mexico and enjoy 5 percent humidity.



 
twisted_1in66 
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twisted_1in66
06-03-18 10:39 AM - Post#1687978    

    In response to bystander12

In my experience, Linen is far cooler than anything else from the Rev War period.

I used cotton for many years in reenactments for shirt, breeches, and Hunting Shirt. I spent the most miserable weekend at a reenactment of the battle of Green Spring near Williamsburg, VA. Timing was the first weekend in July which was close to the actual day (battle was fought July 6, 1781). Weather was hot and more humid than any I experienced during the 10-years I lived in Virginia, and cotton performed miserably. Shirt got wet from perspiration and never got dry. The cotton canvas hunting shirt worn over my regular shirt was both hot and heavy.

It was that battle reenactment that drove me to save my pennies and purchase both a linen shirt and a linen hunting shirt to go over it. The linen shirt is much cooler than cotton and the linen hunting shirt is night and day cooler as well as lighter than the cotton canvas one I had used previously.

Just no comparison between cotton and linen in my opinion. Linen is by far and away more comfortable in heat and humidity than cotton is. It is lighter, breathes better, and dries more quickly than cotton. It's also more expensive, but you knew that already.

Twisted_1in66
Dan





 
BillinOregon 
Cannon
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06-04-18 03:00 PM - Post#1688164    

    In response to twisted_1in66

Dan, the list of sutlers and sources for affordable linen shirts has shrunk considerably over the years, I just discovered.

 
smoothshooter 
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06-06-18 10:20 PM - Post#1688591    

    In response to BillinOregon

Tempting, once upon a time, but not any more with all the illegal immigrants, human trafficing, and Mexican drug cartel activity.

 
BillinOregon 
Cannon
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06-07-18 08:25 AM - Post#1688627    

    In response to smoothshooter

Smooth, none of those things seem to be obvious issues where I live. I find it very interesting that Ciudad Juarez, one of the 10 most violent cities on earth, is just across the Rio Grande from El Paso, one of the safest cities in America -- and much safer than Albuquerque.

 
twisted_1in66 
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twisted_1in66
06-11-18 07:03 PM - Post#1689363    

    In response to BillinOregon

Yup, not a lot of people making it and they are expensive. But they are much more comfortable and mine have worn well too (durable).

Had a lady in Virginia who would make them to order and I got a pair of rifleman's pants from her (long pants with fall front and fringe on the pants. Price was very reasonable but came with wierd buttons. When I wear those you can't really see the buttons, so I do use them. I'd put pewter buttons on them but the button holes in the pants are too small for the buttons that were on my breeches.

Twisted_1in66
Dan

 
Coot 
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06-11-18 09:07 PM - Post#1689385    

    In response to twisted_1in66

Ummm.....Buy new buttons?

 
Artificer 
Cannon
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06-12-18 02:49 AM - Post#1689398    

    In response to twisted_1in66

Hi Dan,

If you want to show off the buttons on your trousers, maybe consider Star Buttons to make you the Star of the Show.

Or, if that is not popular with your Lady, then perhaps consider "Deathshead" buttons to alert others not to look too close......

http://www.wmboothdraper.com/

Oh, am I mistaken or doesn't Mrs. Coot make or handle thread buttons?

Gus

 
Spence10 
Cannon
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06-13-18 06:36 PM - Post#1689596    

    In response to twisted_1in66

  • twisted_1in66 Said:
Just no comparison between cotton and linen in my opinion. Linen is by far and away more comfortable in heat and humidity than cotton is. It is lighter, breathes better, and dries more quickly than cotton. It's also more expensive, but you knew that already.


Wasn't it Einstein who said everything is relative?

I spent the day in the Kentucky woods hunting squirrels, today. It had rained a lot in the last few days, the woods were absolutely soggy, squishy, steamy and the temperature was in the upper 80s. I knew it would be hot, so I opted for moccasins, leather leggings, linen breechclout and linen smock with nothing under, round hat. I still roasted, sweated so much my cheap flop hat dyed my hair black. So, linen may be cooler than cotton, but it's still mighty hot.

Spence


 
twisted_1in66 
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twisted_1in66
06-14-18 02:17 AM - Post#1689655    

    In response to Coot

Problem was that I didn't know about the buttons being smaller until I received the finish product in the mail. I had the correct size pewter buttons from my worn out pair of breeches, but the button holes on the trousers were too small to take them. Otherwise I would have just swapped them out.

Twisted_1in66
Dan

 
Coot 
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06-14-18 08:45 AM - Post#1689674    

    In response to twisted_1in66

Pewter buttons are not expensive and are available in a range of sizes. If the button holes are tight, switching to brass or copper (which are thinner than cast pewter) will make it easier to button.

 
Black Hand 
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Black Hand
06-14-18 09:41 AM - Post#1689682    

    In response to twisted_1in66

  • twisted_1in66 Said:
Problem was that I didn't know about the buttons being smaller until I received the finish product in the mail. I had the correct size pewter buttons from my worn out pair of breeches, but the button holes on the trousers were too small to take them. Otherwise I would have just swapped them out.

Twisted_1in66
Dan


Make the buttonholes larger by cutting and buttonhole stitching the extension (or restitching the entire, now larger, buttonhole). Sometimes, the buttonhole can be gently stretched to make space for a larger button.


 
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