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zimmerstutzen 
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06-09-18 03:25 PM - Post#1689044    

    In response to Loyalist Dave

There were several Pa Dutch units in the Continental cause. Two of my ancestors served in units from Berks County PA and I know that one of them never did learn English. (At that time some families had been here 60 years and still spoke only a dialect of German.) In addition, Pennsylvania was populated with a high percentage of Quakers, Mennonites and Amish, Most of German ancestry and as strict pacifists, none of them would fight for either side. In my own ancestral back round, there were some large families that split three ways in the late 1770's and 1780s. About a third went to Canada, a third stayed put and a third moved to Ohio. I found that many of the loyalist families who went to Ontario, ended up gravitating to Minnesota and the Dakotas a generation or two later. Some even lied to Census workers about their place of birth. I can only assume that there was some reason they did so. Sort of like a German ancestor who in 5 successive censuses, went from being born in German, to Austrian, to Irish and finally French. He spoke German. Went to a Church that had services only in German. His will was written in German. Why he told the takers that he was Irish and lastly French is a mystery.

 
Loyalist Dave 
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Loyalist Dave
06-10-18 06:55 AM - Post#1689130    

    In response to zimmerstutzen

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I found that many of the loyalist families who went to Ontario, ended up gravitating to Minnesota and the Dakotas a generation or two later. Some even lied to Census workers about their place of birth. I can only assume that there was some reason they did so.



Well if they weren't naturalized, and had voted, they might be in trouble, and some locations you could not get government land grants and other stuff when you're not a citizen. This continued into the 20th century...,

My grandfather was born in Canada, and immigrated with his family to Idaho just after the 1900 census...., so they weren't counted. No "border" to cross except on somebody's map. They simply went where they could find land and farm. He was 11 during the 1910 census, then went back to Canada for a time, returning to the United States in his early 20's and remaining. After the Great Depression the government started Social Security. So he'd been paying taxes and voting, and so started paying Social Security. When he retired he got benefits, and when he died so did his wife based on his paying into the program.

The Government checked up when he died, and the census records for Idaho had been destroyed in an archive fire about 1907..., and my grandma had no idea that he'd been born in Canada. She knew he had family there, but always thought he'd been born in the town of Weiser. (We found out a year or so after his death by talking to his brother in Canada..., my grandpa had been the "baby" and everybody assumed he'd been born after the move to the US) The Government found the census records for the 1910 census, listing my grandpa as a "child" in the town, and listing his family, so he was a "citizen" and eligible, and thus my grandma a homemaker, could still get benefits. He also would not have been eligible for work programs during The Great Depression had they known he was of Canadian birth, and not naturalized.

LD

 
tenngun 
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tenngun
06-11-18 09:53 AM - Post#1689284    

    In response to Loyalist Dave

Well until the twentieth century a man was who he said he was. Mexicans and British Canadians could and did cross the border indiscriminately, and they voted if an election was going on, few would have thought if so and so was a real citizen. Men left families fled somewhere and took up a whole new life under a whole new name.

 
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