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Choctaw 
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Choctaw
05-03-18 06:46 PM - Post#1683030    


You are a member of the 6th United States Cavalry stationed at Fort Richardson, Jacksboro, TX. The year is 1873. What sidearm would you have likely carried?

Thanks.

 
SacramentoJohnson 
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05-03-18 07:44 PM - Post#1683040    

    In response to Choctaw

Hi,
I suspect way out there, you'd either have an 1860 Colt or an 1858 Remington. Although the US military had adopted the S&W American model #3 in 1870 (break top cartridge gun), I suspect cap and ball was still pretty common in far outposts in the early 1870s.

 
satx78247 
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05-03-18 11:31 PM - Post#1683064    

    In response to SacramentoJohnson

Choctaw,

Imvho, it could be most any handgun that was made by that time. = I wouldn't be shocked if such a person was armed with an 1862 Colt's Pocket Police, a 1851 Colt's Navy or most any other handgun, as military personnel in the 19th Century often acquired their own firearms.
(During the S/A War, MG Wheeler carried Colt's WBTS-era pistols of at least 4 sorts. Author/war correspondent Steven Crane stated that he witnessed the General when he killed a Spanish LT with an 1851 Colt's Navy & severely wounded a German "military observer" in the neck with a Walker Colt. - "The War Child" was far from alone in carrying "obsolete" pistols.)

yours, satx


 
crockett 
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05-05-18 10:21 AM - Post#1683213    

    In response to Choctaw

I did a quick search but all I could find was 60 rounds issued to a cavalry soldier. It didn't say what type of ammunition. If there are any quarter master records, etc.- might help.

 
Redstick Lee 
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Redstick Lee
05-05-18 04:52 PM - Post#1683251    

    In response to Choctaw

most likely an 1860 Colt 8" and an 1863 Carbine in a saddle scabbard.

 
Artificer 
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05-05-18 08:11 PM - Post#1683295    

    In response to Redstick Lee

What I have never understood was why the 5,000 Rogers and Spencer Revolvers were never issued after the WBTS.

I have wondered if perhaps the "Issue" balls and conicals for the Colts did not fit the Rogers and Spencer well?

Maybe it was because the Government had spare/replacement parts for the Colts and these were not available for the Rogers and Spencer?

I suspect whatever the reason they weren't issued was due to logistics, rather than the quality of the revolvers.

Gus

 
Choctaw 
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Choctaw
05-06-18 01:44 PM - Post#1683358    

    In response to Artificer

Thanks everyone. It always nice to know I’m on the right track. I really appreciate all of your responses.

 
Loyalist Dave 
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06-05-18 08:41 AM - Post#1688265    

    In response to Choctaw

  • Quote:
You are a member of the 6th United States Cavalry stationed at Fort Richardson, Jacksboro, TX. The year is 1873. What sidearm would you have likely carried?



What was issued. Check to see if there are any records of the handguns issued, and if not, what ammunition for sidearms was most used, which might hint at the most common.

IF I was an officer, I'd have a Remington 1858, converted to .45 Colt (which would also shoot .45 Schofield), since that would leave me with a pair of caplock cylinders in case fixed ammo became hard to come by, and converting the revolver back required swapping the cylinder and removal of one screw.

LD



 
Choctaw 
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Choctaw
06-05-18 12:54 PM - Post#1688306    

    In response to Loyalist Dave

Yeah, I have a couple of books on the 6th Cav while they were in Texas, one of which was written by a soldier assigned to Richardson. He gives detailed descriptions of the local flora and fauna but glosses over the weapons they carried. I have been out to the fort many times but the staff isn't exactly sure either. Their best guess is the 1860 Army.

 
BillinOregon 
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06-05-18 05:27 PM - Post#1688350    

    In response to Choctaw

I am with our friend from San Antonio here. The footlocker and other belongings of an officer killed by Captain Jack's Modocs in the Modoc War on the Oregon/California border in 1872 include a Winchester Model 66, with ammo, and Colt 1851 Navy, with ammo, on display at the visitor center at Lava Beds National Monument. Colt's percussion revolvers were still in very wide use, and there were just so darned many Navies made -- 15,000 more than the Model 1860 and that's not counting the 40,000 London Navies.

 
Choctaw 
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Choctaw
06-13-18 02:42 PM - Post#1689575    

    In response to BillinOregon

In the book I referenced above the author writes about going on a turkey hunt on a two day pass. He and the other four soldiers each took their "pistols," Spencers and a shotgun. This hunt occurred in 1869 somewhere in Jack County, Texas. Still no mention of what they were carrying in their holsters.

 
Artificer 
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06-14-18 09:11 AM - Post#1689677    

    In response to Choctaw

VERY interesting to see they used Spencer Rifles or Carbines!

Considering the arms left over from the WTBS, the Spencer would have been my first choice by a long shot. The cartridge was much better than the Henry as it was a true Mid Range Cartridge and the Spencer was a LOT more robust than the Henry.

I discount the Winchester M1866 because it was not available UNLESS as a private purchase for both the guns and the ammunition. Even so, the round was still not as good as the Spencer.

Appreciate the info on their using Spencers.

Gus

 
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